Just what do you mean, ABOMINATION?

[Not Convinced]

It's such a lovely afternoon, and Spring is not far off. I thought I'd contribute a topic for everyone's consideration.

What is an 'abomination'? Isn't that something that God hates? Despises?
And, surely, we have nothing to worry about, because, as God's people, we would never do or say anything that God would consider an 'abomination'.. right?

Not Convinced

 

[seebs]

That's an interesting question, because the word has connotations that may not be the same in English as they were for the words translated that way. A lot of the "abominations" in Leviticus, for instance, are ritual impurities; the idea of an unclean thing being simply unacceptable - without any moral judgement - was a big part of the picture. Eating shellfish isn't immoral, it's just unclean.

 

[undead1]

Yesterday at 10:20 PM Not Convinced said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=690384#post690384)

What is an 'abomination'?

Something antithetical to the law of God.

I suppose the concept that God ever had a law is bit farfetched in fascist societies like the US, where man-made law rules over everything and everyone.

But yes, God has a law. And that which violates it is an "abomination". Eg: a homosexual.

 

[Duane Morse]

Homosexuality as an abomination is an interesting topic, since most Christians view the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all as male.
I understand God to be male and female, the Father and Spirit, respectively, with a male and female Son, Jesus and Man, respectively.

If all three were male, and we are created in God's image, then a male with a male should be no abomination as it would be holding true to the Maker. And in that case the female would not really be equal partners with the male, but merely a device for reproduction.

However, if we are created in the image of a male/female God as I understand Genesis to indicate, then it makes sense that a male with a male or female with a female would be an abomination to God by going against the established way of things. And in this case the female would be one with the male, and so equal partners.

Considering how Islam views and treats it women vs. how Christianity views and treats its women, it seems to me that God must be male and female as in the latter case.

I really can't see a homosexual God, in the case of Father, Son, and Spirit all being male, would consider homosexuality an abomination and a sin.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The shadowy beings said to live in the Himilayas are called "Abominable Snowmen" because "abominable" is a close to a direct term to the indeginous people's term, "yeti", and they live in a snowy land. Some say the term refers to how they smell.

The meaning of "abominable" though, is hated, vile, and contemptuous. How it came to be applied to private sexual behavior is an eternal monument to stupidity and ignorance and 'man's inhumanity to man'. It is a misuse, a mislabeling, much like North Korea being called by its official name "The Peoples' Democratic Republic of Korea".

 

[Not Convinced]

Clearly, we humans have our own ideas of what's 'abominable' and what isn't. Thanks for the replies.

 

[feral]

**just a note - some muslims mistreat women but that is not a part of their doctrine. the qur'an says a lot of things against the mistreatment. those who do it are acting out of misgyny, hate and ignorance, not qur'an guidelines**

okay...not supposed to be here...i'm going...yep...

 

[1-peter5-9]

5th March 2003 at 11:37 AM Duane Morse said this in Post #4

Homosexuality as an abomination is an interesting topic, since most Christians view the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all as male.
I understand God to be male and female, the Father and Spirit, respectively, with a male and female Son, Jesus and Man, respectively.

Ummm, yuck.

If all three were male, and we are created in God's image, then a male with a male should be no abomination as it would be holding true to the Maker. And in that case the female would not really be equal partners with the male, but merely a device for reproduction.

God the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are One. They do not have the same kind of relationship a man has with a woman, anymore than your spirit, soul, and body have sex with each other. You are a triune being, and that is the reason we are made in His likeness.

Considering how Islam views and treats it women vs. how Christianity views and treats its women, it seems to me that God must be male and female as in the latter case.

I don't really follow (or see) your logic there.

I am not trying to "bash" on you, but I think your very doctrine is an abomination and probably makes God feel like it makes me feel.  A little queasy. 

 

[tulc]

Genesis, 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It takes BOTH to have the image of God, not male alone, not female alone. Both.
tulc(and it is a beautiful day at the end of March as well)

 

[1-peter5-9]

Today at 01:28 PM tulc said this in Post #9
Genesis, 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It is very nice for you to quote ONE Scripture from the Bible.  I can not deny that an ignorant, spiritually unregerate person could assume from this verse that God is equally male and female. 

The truth is God doesn't have a gender because He is a Spirit, and spirits are not male or female (Mark 12:24-27).

I think it is shameful and disgusting to ever say that God is female or has a female part of Himself, because the Bible never once refers to God as She or Her.

Let me quote you again and you can take a closer look at your own use of the Word.

Genesis, 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

"In the image of God created HE him..."

Not, "in the image of God created SHE him."  Is that unclear?

 

[tulc]

And the image of God was male and female. Just because it makes you queasy doesn't mean it's wrong.
tulc

 

[1-peter5-9]

God created man from the ground. He created woman FROM a rib in man's side. If you need faith, ask any doctor how many ribs men are born with and how many women are born with - there is a difference.

And when Jesus, WHO WAS A MAN AND NOT A WOMAN, and WHO IS GOD, pukes you out of His mouth and casts your soul into hell for blasphemy, you might have a different idea of what is right and wrong. That's when I'll take your word for it, because in hell, there is no falsehood, only pain and torment in the presence of a God that when we actually see Him, will look like a Man - a Man with a sharp sword that goes out of His mouth, who holds seven stars in His right hand, and who has feet like fine brass, and on Whose head there are many crowns, who makes and judges in righteousness.

Sorry, I don't see where anybody can read a Bible and actually believe God is male AND female. Jesus wasn't born a hermaphrodite and He isn't a cross-dresser. People who pervert the truth with their own unrighteousness don't inherit heaven becomes they love and practice a lie. READ A BIBLE.

 

[1-peter5-9]

Sorry, I meant "makes WAR and judges in righteousness". Typing error...

 

[tulc]

Galatians 3:26,27,28
26)For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27)For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

Wow! You are saying God has a body like a man? And if God dosen't spew me out will you tell me you're sorry? By the way: I think you are in for a shock when you learn to understand instead of launch into an attack. I hope you learn to speak with wisdom and grace. Or keep spewing. You just make us look good, and win our arguments for us. Your choice.
tulc(who can't wait till he stands before the Lord and hears "Well done you good and faithful servent)

 

[MizDoulos]

Please note:&nbsp&nbspBefore the discussion deteriorates any further, let's step back and take a breather. While everyone is free to express his own opinions, let's respect each other's viewpoints without the personal attacks.

Thank you for your cooperation.


[noflame][/noflame]

 

[1-peter5-9]

Was it an ATTACK when Jesus ran up into the TEMPLE OF GOD in Jeruslem itself and THREW tables over, probably raising His voice, THROWING PEOPLE physically out of the Temple of worship?

I'm sorry, but I don't recall ANYONE who wrote the Scripture you quote in your posts EVER saying ANYTHING that would even remotely give the idea that God is female.

In the Old Testament, in the New Testament...Anywhere in the Bible - not once does it call Him any female word.

Always is He called "He" and "Him". If God is EQUALLY male and female, then why are there not an EQUAL amount of references in the Word describing God as a female?

I'm not making a case against women. I think women are a very important part of the body of Christ. That doesn't make God UNISEX. We were born into God SPIRITUALLY.

When you are "baptized into Christ" as you have quoted, does your physical body actually become ONE with Him. And if you DIE with Christ in baptism, being baptized into His death, ARE YOU PHYSICALLY DEAD? No.

So then, you can see that it is spiritual that we are part of His body. There will be countless women in heaven, but according to my Bible, and the Spirit of my God, we will see Jesus as a Man.

Not trying to be hateful, just truthful. But I'm sure Jesus didn't seem too LOVING when He was throwing people who said they were worshippers of God out of the Temple for simply selling something inside of it to sacrifice. If they have called the Master of the house Beelzebub, how much more those of His household?

 

[1-peter5-9]

I posted right AFTER you posted that message, MizDoulos...sorry.

I'm done "harassing" tulc...

 

[tulc]

Truthfully you didn't bother me.
I used to share a lot like you did here, and I know there is very little chance you are going to hear this, but someone once shared this scripture with me and it took a long time to hear it. It still isn't easy for me, I tend to jump in and start swinging, but I seem to catch on quicker now. So here goes:
James, 3:17,18
17:But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18: And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
That's it. Take it or leave it.
Have a nice life.
tulc

 

[1-peter5-9]

I agree with that Scripture one hundred percent. I also read Scriptures such as this in the same Bible:

1 Peter 2:1 - "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false TEACHERS among you, who will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction."

I'm not going to point at you and scream FALSO PROPHET or anything. That's not what I'm trying to do here. I just want to warn the body of Christ against such destrucive heresies as believing or professing that Jesus Christ or His Father is somehow female.

If defending what I know to be true is a crime, I suffer willfully.

I'm sure you have a believed what you do for a long time and the world hasn't come crashing down...I get that part.

I struggle with certain things in Scripture too. That doesn't mean I'm going to desert my faith over a contradiction or wind of doctrine. Indeed, with my own two eyes, I have seen clouds turn into angelic hosts - good and evil - battling over territory, and the evil angel-cloud-type-things were basically devouring the good angels. I know I sound like a freak, but I'm not lying. And the argument I'm making is that even when everything tells me to desert the faith I was given originally - when even the clouds in the heavens that are supposed to declare the glory of the Lord seem to spell out disaster for me because it appears that evil is triumphing over good - even now, I hold fast to my faith and laugh in the devil's face.

There are Scriptures that have made me doubt the validity of the Bible itself...over and over and over. I would tell you which ones, but that would only serve to strengthen disbelief, and that is not my calling.

Anyway, I know you believe that God is partly a girl and there is nothing I can do to change that now. But for anyone else who reads this thread, I hope they will see good intention and not evil and realize there are people in this world who stand up for truth and are waiting patiently for the return of a Christ the rest of the world has rejected.

God bless you very much!

 

[tulc]

1-peter5-9
..."God bless you very much!"

Thanks dude! He has, and I'm sure He will continue doing so!
tulc(who see's you don't get it, but that's all right)