Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I know. Just stating that as its a Christian forum, one would get a majority of Christian replies

And this part of the forum is open to people who are not Christians. If you don't want to interact with them, then there is the Christian Only sections of the forum.

 

[Astrid]

We have the concept of good and evil. Animals do not. Also spirituality, logic, rationality, planning, wisdom, creativity, belief in the afterlife, we are changing our environment to suit our needs (jailbraking the naturalistic determinism), we are manipulating atoms and the code of our own bodies, we are even able to understand the stars we see in the sky and to potentially reach them.

Not that all of that is actually unique,
but assuming it's so that we are the smartest,
so exactly what?

FTM. which of those attributes would be
evident in our ancestors- of equal intelligence- 100 000,yrs ago?

 

[Astrid]

Not sure if you know this...

Why the falsehood ?

As for Christian, is assuming unto yourself
the mantle of infallibility a necessary Christian
attribute, or is it something else?

 

[trophy33]

Not that all of that is actually unique,
but assuming it's so that we are the smartest,
so exactly what?

FTM. which of those attributes would be
evident in our ancestors- of equal intelligence- 100 000,yrs ago?

Its unique. We are so different from animals that there is no place to argue about that. And because we have abilities and spiritual properties different from animals, we do not have them from animals, but are higher - the image of God.

From animals, we have our bodies, instincts and similar. But not abstract thinking, spirituality, good/evil etc.

so exactly what?

So we are made in the image of God.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Its unique. We are so different from animals that there is no place to argue about that. And because we have abilities and spiritual properties different from animals, we do not have them from animals, but are higher - the image of God.

We are unique... but we are also animals in every meaningul way too.

 

[trophy33]

We are unique... but we are also animals in every meaningul way too.

We are biologically animals, we also inherited some animal instincts like sexuality, "fight or run" etc.

But our spiritual side is not from animals.

 

[driewerf]

Just stating that as its a Christian forum, one would get a majority of Christian replies

This is a Christian website.

Not sure if you know this but, this is a Christian forum!

Since you have stated this multiple times, I am going to assume that the fact hat this is a christian forum is somehow relevant? I have to ask why do you think that this is relevant? Would truth change depending on what site it is posted?

 

[driewerf]

We have the concept of good and evil. Animals do not.

Some animals - mostly social animals like wolves, elephants and chimpanzees have a rudimentary notion of right and wrong too. So besides being factually incorrect, why do you think this is prove that we are created in the image of any god?

Also spirituality, logic, rationality, planning, wisdom, creativity, belief in the afterlife, we are changing our environment to suit our needs (jailbraking the naturalistic determinism), we are manipulating atoms and the code of our own bodies, we are even able to understand the stars we see in the sky and to potentially reach them.

How do you think this is prove that we are created in the image of any god? Please elaborate.

 

[trophy33]

Some animals - mostly social animals like wolves, elephants and chimpanzees have a rudimentary notion of right and wrong too

Not as we do.

How do you think this is prove that we are created in the image of any god? Please elaborate.

Being made in the image of God is a biblical term. It means something. I interpreted for you what I think it means. Its about the things that separate are from other earthly creation like stones, plants or animals.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Since you have stated this multiple times, I am going to assume that the fact hat this is a christian forum is somehow relevant? I have to ask why do you think that this is relevant? Would truth change depending on what site it is posted?

If you can’t understand why this person keeps telling you that this is a Christian website even after he/she has specifically told you why he/she is telling you this, then it’s quite apparent that you are incapable of understanding even the most elementary of statements

This is a Christian website. Arguing against my beliefs is futile.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Some animals - mostly social animals like wolves, elephants and chimpanzees have a rudimentary notion of right and wrong too. So besides being factually incorrect, why do you think this is prove that we are created in the image of any god?


How do you think this is prove that we are created in the image of any god? Please elaborate.

Twice here you used the phrase “this is prove”. I think I’m starting to understand why you believe in the theory of evolution.

 

[driewerf]

Some animals - mostly social animals like wolves, elephants and chimpanzees have a rudimentary notion of right and wrong too.

Not as we do.

That is why I described it as rudimentary. I put that word there on purpose.

Being made in the image of God is a biblical term. It means something. I interpreted for you what I think it means. Its about the things that separate are from other earthly creation like stones, plants or animals.

That's fine. Except it is just repeating your position. It isn't proving it. So try again.

 

[driewerf]

Twice here you said the words “this is prove”. I think I’m starting to understand why you believe in the theory of evolution.

Because I am driven by facts, logic, intelligence and empirical evidence.
Thank you for highlighting what differentiates me from creationists.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because I am driven by facts, logic, intelligence and empirical evidence.
Thank you for highlighting what differentiates me from creationists.

I think it might be a jab at you misspelling proof as prove.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because I am driven by facts, logic, intelligence and empirical evidence.
Thank you for highlighting what differentiates me from creationists.

Yes and I can see the level of your “intelligence” by your repeated grammatical errors.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes and I can see the level of your “intelligence” by your repeated grammatical errors.

Now that's just being genuinely insulting and rude.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because I am driven by facts, logic, intelligence and empirical evidence.
Thank you for highlighting what differentiates me from creationists.

So you’re saying that evolution is a fact then? No scientist says that evolution is a fact.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So you’re saying that evolution is a fact then? No scientist says that evolution is a fact.

Anything to support this claim?

 

[driewerf]

Yes and I can see the level of your “intelligence” by your repeated grammatical errors.

I think it might be a jab at you misspelling proof as prove.

Thank you both for being so kind as to highlight this. I'll keep it in mind as point to improve.
Though keeping in mind that English is my third language beside Dutch and French, I think I manage quite well.

 

[driewerf]

So you’re saying that evolution is a fact then? No scientist says that evolution is a fact.

It took Google 0.39 seconds to show this statement as factually wrong.

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution.

Science and evolution - PMC

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The theory of evolution is not a hypothesis, but the scientifically accepted explanation of the incontrovertible fact that life and its many forms has changed over the years.

Teaching of Evolution: Fact and Theory - American Chemical Society

American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.

www.acs.org

In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as “an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as ‘true.’” The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time.

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

www.scientificamerican.com

In the scientific community, evolution has been determined to be both fact and theory. That is, it is a fact that organisms have changed throughout time as seen through data. The theory of evolution is a well-supported and accepted explanation of this fact.

Evolution: Fact or fiction? – Answers in Genesis: What Young Earth Creationism Gets Wrong

sites.nd.edu

It my science minded, evidence driven friends: a bet. Will BNR32FAN or any other creationist continue to perpetuate this falsehood or will they learn from their mistake and at least drop this?
The bets are open.