Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[BNR32FAN]

Thank you both for being so kind as to highlight this. I'll keep it in mind as point to improve.
Though keeping in mind that English is my third language beside Dutch and French, I think I manage quite well.

So you had nothing to reply about the lack of evidence supporting the missing links to human evolution from apes that I mentioned in post 1576?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So you had nothing to reply about the lack of evidence supporting the missing links to human evolution from apes that I mentioned in post 1576?

Do you mean lack of evidence such as this?

Or lack of evidence such as this?

Or evidence like this?

 

[driewerf]

Now that's just being genuinely insulting and rude.

Mind you, i have worked with some who may very well have come from an ape background!! Lol

Perhaps even some in this very thread.

As a matter of insults and being rude, BRN32FAN's answer to Lost4words is a prime example.

 

[driewerf]

So you had nothing to reply about the lack of evidence supporting the missing links to human evolution from apes that I mentioned in post 1576?

Besides that your statement that there is no evidence supporting human evolution is counterfatual, I am not inclined to answer a deflection. Lost4words stated that we are designed in god's image. It is his/her job to substantiate that claim.
Deflecting is just a sign of weakness.

 

[Lost4words]

And this part of the forum is open to people who are not Christians. If you don't want to interact with them, then there is the Christian Only sections of the forum.

Woof!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Woof!

You're a bit of a troll.

 

[Lost4words]

Why the falsehood ?

As for Christian, is assuming unto yourself
the mantle of infallibility a necessary Christian
attribute, or is it something else?

Truth....We are created in the image of God.

 

[Lost4words]

Since you have stated this multiple times, I am going to assume that the fact hat this is a christian forum is somehow relevant? I have to ask why do you think that this is relevant? Would truth change depending on what site it is posted?

As its Christian, you will get me faith related answers.

 

[Astrid]

We are biologically animals, we also inherited some animal instincts like sexuality, "fight or run" etc.

But our spiritual side is not from

0pinion stated as fact

 

[driewerf]

As its Christian, you will get me faith related answers.

So, does reality change according to what site it is posted on?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It took Google 0.39 seconds to show this statement as factually wrong.

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution.

Science and evolution - PMC

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The theory of evolution is not a hypothesis, but the scientifically accepted explanation of the incontrovertible fact that life and its many forms has changed over the years.

Teaching of Evolution: Fact and Theory - American Chemical Society

American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.

www.acs.org

In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as “an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as ‘true.’” The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time.

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

www.scientificamerican.com

In the scientific community, evolution has been determined to be both fact and theory. That is, it is a fact that organisms have changed throughout time as seen through data. The theory of evolution is a well-supported and accepted explanation of this fact.

Evolution: Fact or fiction? – Answers in Genesis: What Young Earth Creationism Gets Wrong

sites.nd.edu

It my science minded, evidence driven friends: a bet. Will BNR32FAN or any other creationist continue to perpetuate this falsehood or will they learn from their mistake and at least drop this?
The bets are open.

We’re talking about human evolution from other animals not evolution in general. Your first article refers to the evolution of the flu virus, that’s a long way from saying that we actually evolved from apes which is not what the article states as fact. Furthermore the article itself specifically states that theories can never be accepted as facts.

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution.

One should regard science as a process in which scientists formulate hypotheses to explain certain facts and to test their predictive models by confronting their predictions with new facts (Gilbert, 1991). A fact is something that we observe. For instance, when we drop an object, it falls to the ground. This is a fact. The scientific theory that explains why objects fall is thetheory of gravity. A valid scientific theory can never become a fact (Gould, 1981), as there is always the possibility that a future explanation will better match newly discovered facts.

Your second article says the same thing that life has changed over the years, it does not say that human evolution from other animals is a fact.

The American Chemical Society (ACS) strongly supports the inclusion of evolution in K–12 science curricula at an age-appropriate level because this theory is central to our modern understanding of science. The theory of evolution is not a hypothesis, but the scientifically accepted explanation of the incontrovertible fact that life and its many forms has changed over the years.

And finally your third article says the same exact thing that life is changing and that is a fact but it does not say that the evolution of humans from other animals is a fact.

In the scientific community, evolution has been determined to be both fact and theory. That is, it is a fact that organisms have changed throughout time as seen through data. The theory of evolution is a well-supported and accepted explanation of this fact.

Now if you actually search “human evolution” and read articles from credible sources on the actual topic we’re discussing you’ll see that human evolution from other animals is not a fact.

Here’s a few highlights from Britannica on HUMAN evolution.

Darwin never claimed, as some of his Victorian contemporaries insisted he had, that “man was descended from the apes,” and modern scientists would view such a statement as a useless simplification—just as they would dismiss any popular notions that a certain extinct species is the “missing link” between humans and the apes. There is theoretically, however, a common ancestor that existed millions of years ago. This ancestral species does not constitute a “missing link” along a lineage but rather a node for divergence into separate lineages. This ancient primate has not been identified and may never be known with certainty, because fossil relationships are unclear even within the human lineage, which is more recent. In fact, the human “family tree” may be better described as a “family bush,” within which it is impossible to connect a full chronological series of species, leading to Homo sapiens, that experts can agree upon.

Human evolution | History, Stages, Timeline, Tree, Chart, & Facts | Britannica

Human evolution, the process by which human beings developed on Earth from now-extinct primates. The only extant members of the human tribe, Hominini, belong to the species Homo sapiens. The exact nature of the evolutionary relationships between modern humans and their ancestors remains the...

www.britannica.com

What you are promoting as “prove” of human evolution from other animals is actually propaganda the way you presented it because that is not what your sources are stating as being factual. All three of your sources say in the very first paragraph that evolution of life is fact not the evolution of humans from other animals. So you’re misquoting all three of these articles as I’ve shown above.

So perhaps Christians aren’t so stupid after all.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

<SNIP>

I'm going to ask a serious question: if someone did present to you serious evidence of humans evolving from earlier species of apes, would you accept it as evidence?

 

[dlamberth]

We are all made in the image of God.

That would be our souls. Our bodies evolved.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Besides that your statement that there is no evidence supporting human evolution is counterfatual, I am not inclined to answer a deflection. Lost4words stated that we are designed in god's image. It is his/her job to substantiate that claim.
Deflecting is just a sign of weakness.

I never said there was no evidence supporting human evolution. That’s a false accusation and I challenge you to quote where I said anything to that effect. Surely you can provide “prove” that I said this?

 

[trophy33]

That is why I described it as rudimentary. I put that word there on purpose.

Then you have made no point.

That's fine. Except it is just repeating your position. It isn't proving it. So try again.

If you want to ignore that humans are significantly different from animals, plants and non-living things, your choice. I mentioned some areas of significant difference.

 

[trophy33]

0pinion stated as fact

What do you expect, a randomized double blinded controlled study that you significantly differ from your dog or from flowers in your window? Try to argue with them about this topic instead of with me and you will see the result.

 

[Astrid]

Then you have made no point.


If you want to ignore that humans are significantly different from animals, plants and non-living things, your choice. I mentioned some areas of significant difference.

Are whales significantly different from animals?

Physically humans are far less different from
a possum than a whale is.

And what do you know of their mjnds?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Besides that your statement that there is no evidence supporting human evolution is counterfatual, I am not inclined to answer a deflection. Lost4words stated that we are designed in god's image. It is his/her job to substantiate that claim.
Deflecting is just a sign of weakness.

According to this quote from Britannica are my statements regarding the absence of a missing link false?

Darwin never claimed, as some of his Victorian contemporaries insisted he had, that “man was descended from the apes,” and modern scientists would view such a statement as a useless simplification—just as they would dismiss any popular notions that a certain extinct species is the “missing link” between humans and the apes. There is theoretically, however, a common ancestor that existed millions of years ago. This ancestral species does not constitute a “missing link” along a lineage but rather a node for divergence into separate lineages. This ancient primate has not been identified and may never be known with certainty, because fossil relationships are unclear even within the human lineage, which is more recent. In fact, the human “family tree” may be better described as a “family bush,” within which it is impossible to connect a full chronological series of species, leading to Homo sapiens, that experts can agree upon.

Who’s the one deflecting here?

 

[trophy33]

Are whales significantly different from animals?

Physically humans are far less different from
a possum than a whale is.

And what do you know of their mjnds?

Pay more attention, I literally said that our bodies are from animals, similarly so many of our instincts. What is significantly different was mentioned, too - and no, not bodies.

 

[Astrid]

What do you expect, a randomized double blinded controlled study that you significantly differ from your dog or from flowers in your window? Try to argue with them about this topic instead of with me and you will see the result.

No, I expect honest people to not give their
people to not opinion as fact.