Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Actually, at some point it must become something different.
Otherwise, how do you get from single-cell to multicellular?
Asexual to sexual reproduction? Plant to animal, fish to
amphibian to reptile......... All the while, gaining complexity
in opposition to everything we see in nature, much less life.

How are we seeing 'much less life' in nature?

 

[pat34lee]

It is a fact. And I'm not wrong. The Bible claims that the rocks speak of God's glory, and they certainly do. And they don't speak about an extra-Biblical doctrine that isn't supported by any of the evidence we see from His creation.

What have we seen in creation from the beginning of our
written history? Things break down, run down, devolve
unless there is intelligent action applied. Nothing goes
uphill without being forced.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What have we seen in creation from the beginning of our
written history? Things break down, run down, devolve
unless there is intelligent action applied. Nothing goes
uphill without being forced.

So your basic argument is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. You do know that doesn't apply to biological systems, only to physics?

 

[mmksparbud]

Actually, at some point it must become something different.
Otherwise, how do you get from single-cell to multicellular?
Asexual to sexual reproduction? Plant to animal, fish to
amphibian to reptile......... All the while, gaining complexity
in opposition to everything we see in nature, much less life.

I asked that but I keep getting the evolution happens in populations not individuals, thing---but for crying out loud--it has to happen in individuals before it can happen in a population. And then they say one species can not turn into another yet they say a bear was actually a fish and they say we all began as fish!!

 

[klutedavid]

And here, exactly, is where you people founder as you do on every other argument of this nature......the evidence shows you to be wrong!

If I throw a die once, then there is no "predictable pattern" indeed. There is nothing to uphold the theoretical contention of a 1 in 6 random probability. Even if I throw the die 6 times, it is highly unlikely that I would find that I achieve each of the 6 possible results in such a limited trial.

However, if I conduct the trial, say, 1200 times I find that an interesting fact emerges.....namely, that my results are much closer to a 100% confirmation of the probability. And if I conduct it 12,000 times, it becomes even closer to 100%.

In other words, the evidence that I am able to collect confirms that throwing a die confers a random outcome of 1 in 6 for each integer on that die!

EVIDENCE.....the downfall of the dogmatic!



The ignorance is stunning! You have no idea at all about the nature of a nested hierarchy, do you? Just think for a moment (without your 'dogma goggles' on) and you might be able to work out for yourself just why that is a nonsense statement........

Hello Steve.

You don't seriously believe that a die roll, cannot be predicted given the variables.

 

[pat34lee]

How are we seeing 'much less life' in nature?

much less 'in' life. I'll edit.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

much less 'in' life. I'll edit.

How are we seeing much less IN life?

 

[pat34lee]

So you can't provide an understanding of phylogeny in your own words so you link a creationist site. Perhaps you'd like to provide a source that isn't from proven liars like creationists sites are.

Perhaps, or I could just report you for flaming ALL creationist sites as liars.

 

[pat34lee]

You have never shown that changes in an individual make it less fit to live and able to reproduce. So your claim fails straight from the off.

Science has done that for me. In about 100 years of testing fruit flies.

 

[pat34lee]

How are we seeing much less IN life?

What is it your side says? Over 99.9% of species who ever lived
are extinct today.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Science has done that for me. In about 100 years of testing fruit flies.

Fruit flies =/= all of life.
Fail.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What is it your side says? Over 99.9% of species who ever lived
are extinct today.

And all of those species went extinct by things that they were not prepared for. How exactly can an animal prepare itself for a mile wide meteor hurtling through space?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Perhaps, or I could just report you for flaming ALL creationist sites as liars.

Point of order: the flaming rule only applies to users of this site. It is not against the rules to say that another site is lying.

 

[pat34lee]

So your basic argument is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. You do know that doesn't apply to biological systems, only to physics?

It applies to energy, and it applies to anything that can be
affected by energy and entropy. Which is everything.
Otherwise, E =/= mC^2

 

[pat34lee]

And all of those species went extinct by things that they were not prepared for. How exactly can an animal prepare itself for a mile wide meteor hurtling through space?

Never happened. That is a theory, or fairy tale.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It applies to energy, and it applies to anything that can be
affected by energy and entropy. Which is everything.
Otherwise, E =/= mC^2

There's a reason why it's called The Second Law of Thermodynamics. If it was about biology, it would be called The Second Law of Thermodynamics and Biology.

 

[pat34lee]

Point of order: the flaming rule only applies to users of this site. It is not against the rules to say that another site is lying.

To say that all of a group are liars is flaming. I've been pinched
for saying things about leftists and LBGTQ's that were less harsh.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Never happened. That is a theory, or fairy tale.

... you have got to be having a laugh.
So the Chicxulub Crater and the resulting KT Boundary, wherein all of the dinosaur and Cretaceous era life died out suddenly is... what? Nothing?

 

[pat34lee]

There's a reason why it's called The Second Law of Thermodynamics. If it was about biology, it would be called The Second Law of Thermodynamics and Biology.

Thermodynamics: "the branch of physical science that deals with the relations between
heat and other forms of energy (such as mechanical, electrical, or chemical energy),
and, by extension, of the relationships between all forms of energy."

How many types of energy are we talking about when we say biological systems?
Several.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

To say that all of a group are liars is flaming. I've been pinched
for saying things about leftists and LBGTQ's that were less harsh.

And yet is not against the rules to say that a WEBSITE is lying.