Judgmental

[thisisnotme]

OK so my thought is, If someone is Gay,or had an abortion, or is engaging in sexual relations with someone and they are not married. Or if you lie, or steal, or cheat someone, or smoke, or drink, or get a tattoo, or curse. Aren't they all the same? In the lines of sin i mean. Isn't a sin a sin. So shouldn't real Christians not be judgemental or shouldn't they not condemn someone who is in a sense in the same amount of sin? Like my friend who is gay, yet goes to church and believes in God, shouldn't i embrace him? Because we all know i have sinned. I am not better then he is. He is no better then me.

 

[Mystman]

Well.. yeah.

Although that's more a theology thing if you ask me.

From my knowledge on the subject (pretty limited..), I believe the general consensus is that you have to try to stop others from sinning. Even though it's impossible. And even though Jesus forgives all sins. And people do indeed spend an insane amount of time and resources on combatting some sins in comparison to others, even though all sins are equal.

Yay, theology.

 

[tcampen]

OK so my thought is, If someone is Gay,or had an abortion, or is engaging in sexual relations with someone and they are not married. Or if you lie, or steal, or cheat someone, or smoke, or drink, or get a tattoo, or curse. Aren't they all the same? In the lines of sin i mean. Isn't a sin a sin. So shouldn't real Christians not be judgemental or shouldn't they not condemn someone who is in a sense in the same amount of sin? Like my friend who is gay, yet goes to church and believes in God, shouldn't i embrace him? Because we all know i have sinned. I am not better then he is. He is no better then me.

I don't think smoking, drinking or tattoos are sins. Cursing might be, depending on the context. Lying wouldn't be a sin if it were to save an innocent person's life. Well, I think you get the point.

But you bring up a good issue. Who should cast the first stone, right?

Considering how much of modern day life is sinful seems to vary greatly between bible-believing christiains themselves, I'm inclined to be persuaded that morality based more on reason produces more consistent and comprehensible results.

No, no one is "better" than the other, per se. But some actions are better than others.

 

[rdonovan1]

I don't think that it really matters at all because no one believes in God anymore. Now days it is all about money and hate.

I have tried hard to be good, but apparently it just doesn't work anymore because everyone has gone back to the same principles and beliefs that made Hitler so popular in Nazi Germany and from what I have noticed a lot of people are either worshipping him or people like Charles Manson.

Ethics and morality in the United States and in most parts of the world is nothing but a farse as no one really seems to believe in any of that anymore or at least that is what I have noticed any how and at the moment it is not looking like it is going to get any better until people start to learn how to actually care about someone other that themselves and that I think is pretty much an impossible task as I just don't believe that it is even possible for anyone to actually care about anyone other than themselves.

 

[b&wpac4]

I don't think that it really matters at all because no one believes in God anymore. Now days it is all about money and hate.

I have tried hard to be good, but apparently it just doesn't work anymore because everyone has gone back to the same principles and beliefs that made Hitler so popular in Nazi Germany and from what I have noticed a lot of people are either worshipping him or people like Charles Manson.

Ethics and morality in the United States and in most parts of the world is nothing but a farse as no one really seems to believe in any of that anymore or at least that is what I have noticed any how and at the moment it is not looking like it is going to get any better until people start to learn how to actually care about someone other that themselves and that I think is pretty much an impossible task as I just don't believe that it is even possible for anyone to actually care about anyone other than themselves.

You see what you want to see.

 

[gwenmead]

Because we all know i have sinned. I am not better then he is. He is no better then me.

Well, being an atheist, I don't believe in the concept of "sin", exactly. But I do get the idea that people mess up. People can do wrong, ranging from simple little daily life mishaps to egregious, disastrous harm to millions of other people.

I'll second what tcampen has said: some actions are better than others, and Bible-believing Christians don't always agree on how to measure "sin". But I think it's healthy to keep in mind your last words, that others are really no better or worse people than yourself, and vice versa. Nobody's perfect.

rdonovan1: That's a pretty bleak outlook on life. What happened to give you such impressions?

 

[Sojourner1]

I believe that as a Christian I am not to judge those outside of the "church" for their sin because that isn't my concern. God will judge them so I don't need to. If you look at Scripture it says that those who do not believed are condemned already, so I don't need to condemn or judge them. If the person is a Christian and they are living in sin and don't acknowledge their sin or repent of their sin then it is the responsibility of the church to confront them about it. There are a lot of Christians who struggle with sin and know that what they are doing is a sin, they just have a tough time fighting their sinful nature, but they aren't denying that what they are doing is a sin.

My pastor had to ask a member of our church to leave (the 1st time he has had to do this in 10 years) because this person was living in sin (separated from wife and living with another woman), continuing to come to church and did not believe that he was living in sin or doing anything wrong. The pastor and the elders of the church did what the Bible instructed with this member and asked him to leave the church. If he ever repents of his sin and comes to any understanding that what he is doing is wrong, he will be welcomed back into the congregation.

 

[Zaac]

OK so my thought is, If someone is Gay,or had an abortion, or is engaging in sexual relations with someone and they are not married. Or if you lie, or steal, or cheat someone, or smoke, or drink, or get a tattoo, or curse. Aren't they all the same? In the lines of sin i mean. Isn't a sin a sin. So shouldn't real Christians not be judgemental or shouldn't they not condemn someone who is in a sense in the same amount of sin? Like my friend who is gay, yet goes to church and believes in God, shouldn't i embrace him? Because we all know i have sinned. I am not better then he is. He is no better then me.

Within the Body, we are called to righteously judge all things. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 says: “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

Thus we point out sin as sin, none greater than any other. None unforgiven by the Christ if you have received Him as Lord and Savior.

We cannot condemn, for final judgment belongs to God.

So yes, we are to embrace to exhort, to lift up one another. But we are also to call each other to righteousness and hold each other accountable for upholding the bloodstained banner of Christ.

 

[rdonovan1]

Well, being an atheist, I don't believe in the concept of "sin", exactly. But I do get the idea that people mess up. People can do wrong, ranging from simple little daily life mishaps to egregious, disastrous harm to millions of other people.

I'll second what tcampen has said: some actions are better than others, and Bible-believing Christians don't always agree on how to measure "sin". But I think it's healthy to keep in mind your last words, that others are really no better or worse people than yourself, and vice versa. Nobody's perfect.

rdonovan1: That's a pretty bleak outlook on life. What happened to give you such impressions?

Pretty much everything. Things are now at the point for me that it appears as though I am going to die whether I like it or not and their is nothing that I can do about it.

I have tried hard to believe that I could make things better and that I could improve both myself and my life, but that is apparently nothing but a fantasy.

The real truth from what I can tell now is that greed, hatred, and bias are what really rules the world now days and there really is nothing that we can say or do about it at all.

The world is heading for world war 3 at least in my opinion and I really don't think that there is anything that we do about it all.

It's over for me and it is over for the rest of the world.

 

[Fin12]

I don't think that it really matters at all because no one believes in God anymore. Now days it is all about money and hate.

I have tried hard to be good, but apparently it just doesn't work anymore because everyone has gone back to the same principles and beliefs that made Hitler so popular in Nazi Germany and from what I have noticed a lot of people are either worshipping him or people like Charles Manson.

Ethics and morality in the United States and in most parts of the world is nothing but a farse as no one really seems to believe in any of that anymore or at least that is what I have noticed any how and at the moment it is not looking like it is going to get any better until people start to learn how to actually care about someone other that themselves and that I think is pretty much an impossible task as I just don't believe that it is even possible for anyone to actually care about anyone other than themselves.

Are you aware that hitler was christian along with the vast majority of nazi supporters....

The nazi church? Heard of it..... a christian denomination.

And why "it's all about hate"? Care to expand, please?

You seem a bit despaired. You sound like your depressed, do yourself a favour and see if you can speak to someone about it.

 

[elliotps932]

I believe that as a Christian I am not to judge those outside of the "church" for their sin because that isn't my concern. God will judge them so I don't need to. If you look at Scripture it says that those who do not believed are condemned already, so I don't need to condemn or judge them. If the person is a Christian and they are living in sin and don't acknowledge their sin or repent of their sin then it is the responsibility of the church to confront them about it. There are a lot of Christians who struggle with sin and know that what they are doing is a sin, they just have a tough time fighting their sinful nature, but they aren't denying that what they are doing is a sin.

My pastor had to ask a member of our church to leave (the 1st time he has had to do this in 10 years) because this person was living in sin (separated from wife and living with another woman), continuing to come to church and did not believe that he was living in sin or doing anything wrong. The pastor and the elders of the church did what the Bible instructed with this member and asked him to leave the church. If he ever repents of his sin and comes to any understanding that what he is doing is wrong, he will be welcomed back into the congregation.

agreed.

 

[rdonovan1]

Well, being an atheist, I don't believe in the concept of "sin", exactly. But I do get the idea that people mess up. People can do wrong, ranging from simple little daily life mishaps to egregious, disastrous harm to millions of other people.

I'll second what tcampen has said: some actions are better than others, and Bible-believing Christians don't always agree on how to measure "sin". But I think it's healthy to keep in mind your last words, that others are really no better or worse people than yourself, and vice versa. Nobody's perfect.

rdonovan1: That's a pretty bleak outlook on life. What happened to give you such impressions?

To make things short I've had people lie to me, steal from me, verbally and emotionally abuse me, my car has been vandalized on multiple occasions and to make matters worse neither my church nor anyone that I have even remotely trusted has been there to support me in any way.

All that I have gotten is negativity and disrespect and as a result it is making me really think that there really is no God and that the real truth and power is in what people like Hitler preached.

I have tried to stay away from a lot of that stuff by as much as possible and I have really tried to believe in both myself and in what the pastor of the church that I have been attending has been saying about peace, love and harmony, but I guess that was nothing but a load of bull as apparently no one really believes in any of that stuff and from what I can tell everyone seems to be believing in what psychology and psychologists tend to say.

Things like simple courtesy and respect as well as caring and compassion seem to have gone by the wayside as now days no one really seems to really care about anyone other than themselves.

I have tried really hard to believe in myself, to think positive and to believe that I could change not only myself, but my life around and I even had the silly thought that maybe it might even be possible to try to make at least a little bit of a positive difference in this world, but apparently no one really wants to hear stuff like that as apparently all everyone wants to hear is as to how bad things are and as to how we should all just basically think and act like people like Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler.

I personally don't like it, but at the moment I really just don't see that there is anything that I can do about it and it really makes me sad to see people think and act that way towards one another.

Even if you don't believe in the Bible simple things like courtesy, respect, and treating your fellow human being with kindness, caring and compassion should be at the top of everyone's list, but apparently it is not and at the moment I am seriously doubting that it ever can happen at all.

 

[tansy]

Pretty much everything. Things are now at the point for me that it appears as though I am going to die whether I like it or not and their is nothing that I can do about it.

I have tried hard to believe that I could make things better and that I could improve both myself and my life, but that is apparently nothing but a fantasy.

The real truth from what I can tell now is that greed, hatred, and bias are what really rules the world now days and there really is nothing that we can say or do about it at all.

The world is heading for world war 3 at least in my opinion and I really don't think that there is anything that we do about it all.

All that sort of stuff has always been rife in the world. All one can do is stay in touch with God, and just do what He leads us to do, or what is at hand to do. Some people do what looks like amazingly wonderful things..have world-wide ministries or whatever. But you know, it's all the little things that are just as important, or even more important. I've had someone just smile at me when I've been feeling down, and that's really lifted me and kept me going. And I really hope to thank them some day, probably in the next life.
You never, never know how little things you do can help people along the way. Don't despair.

It's over for me and it is over for the rest of the world.

Why is it over for you?

 

[b&wpac4]

To make things short I've had people lie to me, steal from me, verbally and emotionally abuse me, my car has been vandalized on multiple occasions and to make matters worse neither my church nor anyone that I have even remotely trusted has been there to support me in any way.

All that I have gotten is negativity and disrespect and as a result it is making me really think that there really is no God and that the real truth and power is in what people like Hitler preached.

Ok, first things first. Find yourself another church. If you are struggling so bad, and they don't care at all, go somewhere else. You should be able to find a place with nice, caring people.

Second, you are depressed. The world looks so much darker from that side of the fence. Things are likely not nearly as bad as you are seeing them right now. You need to find a way out of this depression.

There are still good people in the world. People that understand compassion and respect and everything. But it's easy to get trapped into just seeing the negative.

 

[gwenmead]

It sounds like you've been through a rough time, rdonovan1. I've been through some of that too and it really is discouraging to go through. I understand how it can color one's outlook on life and make things seem hopeless.

Even if you don't believe in the Bible simple things like courtesy, respect, and treating your fellow human being with kindness, caring and compassion should be at the top of everyone's list, but apparently it is not and at the moment I am seriously doubting that it ever can happen at all.

Well - for the record, yeah, there are plenty of people out there who are self-absorbed and cruel. At the same time kindness and love aren't impossible at all. I certainly experience them every day, given and received. There's still hope.

I hope your circumstances improve and things start looking up for you.

 

[rdonovan1]

Are you aware that hitler was christian along with the vast majority of nazi supporters....

The nazi church? Heard of it..... a christian denomination.

And why "it's all about hate"? Care to expand, please?

You seem a bit despaired. You sound like your depressed, do yourself a favour and see if you can speak to someone about it.

I am despaired and depressed because at the moment it is looking like I am going to lose my phone, my apartment, and like I am going to starve to death.

I have been trying to get help from just about every place that I can think of in the Albuquerque area, but with no luck. I have tried many of the charities and other organizations that I could and they have all told me that they cannot help me.

I am trying to find work and I even have an appointment with the workforce center on Tuesday to get help with my resume, cover letter and overall job search and if I lose my apartment, my phone, and if I don't have any food in which to eat then it will all be for nothing.

I have replied to one job on Craigslist to work in a law office and they wrote back saying that they might be interested in me, but at the moment I don't know if I will even get that because of my present situation.

If things don't turn around for me immediately and if I am not able to get any kind of help, then I am either going to be out on the street or dead or perhaps even both and that really scares me.

I am and have been trying to do all that I can to avoid that situation, but at the moment I just don't quite know as if there is anything that I can do to change my situation.

Things are looking pretty bleak right now and at the moment I just don't know as to what I can do to change my situation around for the positive.

 

[rdonovan1]

I know that it sounds crazy and it probably is, but at one time I really believed that God was trying to work in my life and that he was trying to help me to turn my life around for the positive.

 

[tansy]

I am despaired and depressed because at the moment it is looking like I am going to lose my phone, my apartment, and like I am going to starve to death.

I have been trying to get help from just about every place that I can think of in the Albuquerque area, but with no luck. I have tried many of the charities and other organizations that I could and they have all told me that they cannot help me.

I am trying to find work and I even have an appointment with the workforce center on Tuesday to get help with my resume, cover letter and overall job search and if I lose my apartment, my phone, and if I don't have any food in which to eat then it will all be for nothing.

I have replied to one job on Craigslist to work in a law office and they wrote back saying that they might be interested in me, but at the moment I don't know if I will even get that because of my present situation.

If things don't turn around for me immediately and if I am not able to get any kind of help, then I am either going to be out on the street or dead or perhaps even both and that really scares me.

I am and have been trying to do all that I can to avoid that situation, but at the moment I just don't quite know as if there is anything that I can do to change my situation.

Things are looking pretty bleak right now and at the moment I just don't know as to what I can do to change my situation around for the positive.

No wonder you're feeling so bad....are there no organisations in America for the homeless, or people about to be homeless?
You have no friends or anyone who can help you out?
I hope you'll get fixed up really quick

 

[rdonovan1]

No wonder you're feeling so bad....are there no organisations in America for the homeless, or people about to be homeless?
You have no friends or anyone who can help you out?
I hope you'll get fixed up really quick

I can't find anyone to help me out at all and so far I have not found any organizations or churches that can help either.

 

[tansy]

I can't find anyone to help me out at all and so far I have not found any organizations or churches that can help either.

Maybe at least, unless you've already done so, you could post a prayer request in the prayer section on this site. I'll pray for you also.

Btw, I've been in many desperate situations, but God has so far given a last minute solution...so THERE'S STILL hope...don't give up yet.