Judgmental

[joyinhim]

This is another word that most of us Christians misuse or abuse.

It is not easy to criticise others because we have to watch our own walk with the Lord very closely.

Paul says "Are you not to judge those inside?" 1 cor 5:12

Why do you think we use this wrongfully?

 

[deu58]

Hi Joyinhim

We are not to judge the soul of another person, We do not know whom God has chosen to spare and whom he has not,

We can argue,debate and judge doctrines and beliefs all day long, But we can not judge the individule who claims to be a believer,

Even when Satan was arguing with the Arch Angel Michael over the body of Moses all Michael would say is " The Lord rebuke you" He did not condemn or make any accusations against him,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[joyinhim]

Hi Joyinhim

We are not to judge the soul of another person, We do not know whom God has chosen to spare and whom he has not,

We can argue,debate and judge doctrines and beliefs all day long, But we can not judge the individule who claims to be a believer,

Even when Satan was arguing with the Arch Angel Michael over the body of Moses all Michael would say is " The Lord rebuke you" He did not condemn or make any accusations against him,

yours in Christ
deu 58

deu, I think you are missing my point.

 

[deu58]

Hi Joyinhim

deu, I think you are missing my point.

No, I do not think so, Perhaps you are missing mine, No matter what the subject if we disagree strongly with someone then they feel they are being abused,

They throw up take log out of your own eye etc etc, The problem is people love their sin, When I am accused of this I look at what I have said and if I have condemned them then they are right, If I have not then they are wrong, I have not judged them, I have simply disagreed with them,

When My wife was still an Adventist every time I disagreed with her, Which of course was most of the time, I was in her opinion being judgmental,

Now we look back on some of those arguments and laugh, It was not funny then but it is now, It is really strange because I would always use the bible,

I rarely really said anything, She would ask me a question and I would find the verses and then she would accuse me of judging her,

She has told me many times that in those days she could not clearly see what was really written in the bible, I guess that is the product of indoctrination into any specific religion or denomination,

 

[joyinhim]

OK, now I understand.

 

[Pac Shady]

So if a person who is, say, a Zen Bhuddist or something, turns around and says he is saved, even though he has no faith in the Christian God, then we are not to assume he is NOT saved? That makes no sense!

'Shady

 

[deu58]

Hello Pac Shady

So if a person who is, say, a Zen Bhuddist or something, turns around and says he is saved, even though he has no faith in the Christian God, then we are not to assume he is NOT saved? That makes no sense!

'Shady

I was talking about when talking with other christians, Not the lost, My error I should have clarified that, I automatically considered the post to be about the accusations against other Christaians here at C/F

The OP has been accused of being Judmental on other threads here and I am thought of by some as a legalist, I was thinking about those threads when I posted to Joyinhim,

Again my error and you are correct, Those who reject Christ are lost,

 

[joyinhim]

Hello Pac Shady



I was talking about when talking with other christians, Not the lost, My error I should have clarified that, I automatically considered the post to be about the accusations against other Christaians here at C/F

The OP has been accused of being Judmental on other threads here and I am thought of by some as a legalist, I was thinking about those threads when I posted to Joyinhim,

Again my error and you are correct, Those who reject Christ are lost,

thanks deu, but I would like to add that I have been witnessing all kinds of people sinse I became Christian. This "judgemental" has been misused and abused by many many Christians. Even though many of them don't read the Bible they still know this word.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

thanks deu, but I would like to add that I have been witnessing all kinds of people sinse I became Christian. This "judgemental" has been misused and abused by many many Christians. Even though many of them don't read the Bible they still know this word.

This word is also misused by the homosexual agenda to get Christians to agree to it. The word is being used as a misnomer for "speaking disagreement" or "reprove". In other words they say the bible say's "[speak out disagreement or reprove] not lest you be judged [by God and damned]". Those who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle are then made to feel that God is really against them.

 

[joyinhim]

This word is also misused by the homosexual agenda to get Christians to agree to it. The word is being used as a misnomer for "speaking disagreement" or "reprove". In other words they say the bible say's "[speak out disagreement or reprove] not lest you be judged [by God and damned]". Those who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle are then made to feel that God is really against them.

You have a good insight. I guess "judgemental" means they don't agree with you. They are also trying to make you feel guilty because you don't agree with them.

 

[Egghead]

This is another word that most of us Christians misuse or abuse.

It is not easy to criticise others because we have to watch our own walk with the Lord very closely.

Paul says "Are you not to judge those inside?" 1 cor 5:12

Why do you think we use this wrongfully?

So we can do as we wish and get away with it.
So we dont have our brethren making us "feel guilty'' for our wrongdoing.

 

[joyinhim]

So we can do as we wish and get away with it.
So we dont have our brethren making us "feel guilty'' for our wrongdoing.

 

[Pac Shady]

Hello Pac Shady



I was talking about when talking with other christians, Not the lost, My error I should have clarified that, I automatically considered the post to be about the accusations against other Christaians here at C/F

The OP has been accused of being Judmental on other threads here and I am thought of by some as a legalist, I was thinking about those threads when I posted to Joyinhim,

Again my error and you are correct, Those who reject Christ are lost,

Ah, thanks for the clarification

However, I have to agree that the word "judgemental" is abused within the Church than anywhere else in the world. If someone rebukes a brother in Christ regarding something or another about the faith, according to the Word, then that person turns around and says "You're judging me! Don't judge me, because Jesus said not to judge me!" Can we PLEASE understand the difference between rebuke and judgement?!?

And according to how you said before (which I agree with), I will not try to judge the salvation of another Christian. However, if someone is so far removed from the Truth of the Word that the Word says they have strayed from salvation, I will listen to the Word and assume that person to be unsaved and not a Christian (despite their own personal beliefs). That is not MY judgement. That is the judgement of God as prescribed in His Word. I do not judge, God does.

So everyone, if someone tells you you're doing something wrong according to the Word, you can debate all you like (and for His sake, PLEASE use Scripture vs. Scripture!) but please don't pull the "judgemental" card, it's really starting to get on my nerves with these people's lack of understanding of Biblical concepts regarding this subject. It's a cop out to keep justifying your errors, I know, it, you know it, God knows it, so don't tell me "You're judging me!" when I say to you "Repent!" because all it does is reveal your true standing with God when you can't receive His instruction from His Word.

'Shady

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You have a good insight. I guess "judgemental" means they don't agree with you. They are also trying to make you feel guilty because you don't agree with them.

I find the main use of the word is to shut down discourse. The person using it doesn't really care what you think, only what you say. It is not by telepathy that we win the world to Christ but by preaching the Word.

 

[joyinhim]

I find the main use of the word is to shut down discourse. The person using it doesn't really care what you think, only what you say. It is not by telepathy that we win the world to Christ but by preaching the Word.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Can we PLEASE understand the difference between rebuke and judgement?!?

The opinion of the one criticizing is the "judge". It is not anyone's personal opinion that sin is wrong, that opinion belongs exclusively to God because only God is holy. The difference is between saying "obey my opinion" vs "obey God's opinion". It is not judging but reproving to say "God's word says...that is wrong". Therefore God [the Judge] is the owner of His opinion but He has mandated us as stewards of it. One responsibility as steward of His word is to reprove others with it.

 

[Lynn73]

So if a person who is, say, a Zen Bhuddist or something, turns around and says he is saved, even though he has no faith in the Christian God, then we are not to assume he is NOT saved? That makes no sense!

'Shady

No, the Bible is clear on salvation and we can say that if any person rejects God's plan of salvation, according to the Bible they aren't saved.