Judging??

[belladonic-haze]

Why judge others while you are human as well and make mistakes as well....

(I am guilty of that as well, although I try not to judge a book by it's cover)

Isn't judging people something we humans should not do because we can not look in someone's heart?

This song made me think of judging others:
Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so goodThey'll stone ya just a-like they said they wouldThey'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go homeThen they'll stone ya when you're there all aloneBut I would not feel so all aloneEverybody must get stoned.Well, they'll stone ya when you're walkin' 'long the streetThey'll stone ya when you're tryin' to keep your seatThey'll stone ya when you're walkin' on the floorThey'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the doorBut I would not feel so all aloneEverybody must get stoned.They'll stone ya when you're at the breakfast tableThey'll stone ya when you are young and ableThey'll stone ya when you're tryin' to make a buckThey'll stone ya and then they'll say "good luck"Tell ya what, I would not feel so all aloneEverybody must get stoned.Well, They'll stone you and say that it's the endThen they'll stone you and then they'll come back againThey'll stone you when you're riding in your carThey'll stone you when you're playing your guitarYes, but I would not feel so all aloneEverybody must get stoned.Well, they'll stone you when you walk all aloneThey'll stone you when you are walking homeThey'll stone you and then say you are braveThey'll stone you when you are set down in your graveBut I would not feel so all aloneEverybody must get stoned.Admit...the song is funny!!!

 

[gwenmead]

I dunno. Maybe people judge because it's easier to see other people's messups than to admit your own. I mean if you admit your own, that's kind of embarrassing. I think most people have too much pride to be able to freely admit their mistakes and faults.

At the same time I think it's necessary to form personal judgments about people and things, kind of like functional opinions. I mean if someone acts in general like a jerk to me, then I think I'm within reason to make the judgment call that they're a jerk and are probably going to act like one and treat me with jerkiness. Conversely if someone is civil and polite and nice, I figure it's not unreasonable to think of them as a decent person and that they're probably going to treat me kindly.

In my mind, though, that's a far cry from making a full-on moral judgment about a person. I mean I might think "X is a jerk" based on how they act, but I don't see that I'd have any means of saying "X is a terrible, soulless person who's probably going to spend eternity in hell" or whatnot. If there's a deity, I'm not it - and I just can't make cosmic huge judgments like that.

If that makes sense.

 

[Tangnefedd]

Obviously if someone is guilty of murder, stealing, sexual crimes (paedophilia, rape and bestiality) then they will be judged and rightly so. But it is the stupid petty little 'sins' that some fundies dredge up that are not illegal, when judging others gets pathetic imo. Providing no one is being hurt, what one does in the privacy of one's own home is one's own business, and others should keep their noses out!

 

[Moros]

Judging others is an integral part of natural human instinct. It helps us avoid those who we percieve to be of dubious character. A survival skill, in other words. Isn't biology wonderful?

 

[CSMR]

Why judge others while you are human as well and make mistakes as well....

(I am guilty of that as well, although I try not to judge a book by it's cover)

Isn't judging people something we humans should not do because we can not look in someone's heart?

There are some tricky issues here. Let me put my view this way:
When I judge another person I say that he is evil. And I am not wrong! The problem is not that people who judge judge wrongly by calling someone evil when he is good. The peoblem for the judger is that he too will be judged. (You pointed out both issues: you are human as well;... judging a book by its cover.)
Now what does it take not to be judged? Forgiveness in Christ. And when we have that forgiveness through faith, we understand that goodness before God depends not on ourselves but on Christ.
So when I judge another person I am forgetting the fact that goodness before God depends on Christ and I am saying that it depends on ourselves. Of course the other person is evil in himself; we all are. But still we have hope in Christ. If I judge another person I forget to acknowledge the mercy of God. I do not see him as a person for whom Christ has died but instead I see him as a person who is in some way worse than he could be. So I ignore Christ and reject Christ and the judgement rebounds on me.

 

[Tangnefedd]

We all make value judgements, of course, that is human nature, it doesn't mean we are right to do so, though!

 

[belladonic-haze]

Judging others is an integral part of natural human instinct. It helps us avoid those who we percieve to be of dubious character. A survival skill, in other words. Isn't biology wonderful?

Judging? Natural?

So, if I see someone I think is ugly (just an example...personally I hate these typical human standards of what is ugly or not. Those standards are just mfashion media nonsense.....) and avaoid that person because I do not want to be seen with an ugly person (again, a fictional example....before you all think I am shallow) is that natural instinct? I really have to disagree on that....

Being careful and avoid people that make your guts warn you somehow....and listen to that warning bell inside your head is natural....but judging is not.

I dated the most gorgeous guy in highschool. He was just lovely, that is what everybody thought...I ended up raped by him, devestated and I almost committed suicide because he really was a mysogenist and a sadist..... I never told someone because I was the 'ugly' girl in highschool. Who would have believed me? (Now I know better, but I can not press charges anymore.....)The strange thing was that I heard that bell ringing...I did not listen because I judged him by all human standards...and I ugly girl should shut up and be happy a guy like him liked me......

If a man looks good, I apporach him not or more carefully and first get to know him, before I start yelling that people like that are rapists...that doesn't mean it comes easy to be not judgemental.....yes, now I am suspicious of popular men.....they give me the creeps, but that is just because I am scarred for life. But I fight it and try to be as open minded as possible.

Biological? Nah! Psychological?...yes!!

 

[Spinrad]

Word games. Again.

 

[Mariette]

Semantics.

 

[Cerberus~]

I like judging people with a gavel. It make it's a little harder for them to judge back.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Word games. Again.

No, biologist!

 

[belladonic-haze]

Semantics.

In what way?

 

[belladonic-haze]

I like judging people with a gavel. It make it's a little harder for them to judge back.

LOL..I wonder how that works?

 

[Cerberus~]

LOL..I wonder how that works?

Works pretty good until you meet someone with a bigger gavel.

 

[Rae]

Malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw, and he never has the same problem twice!

 

[tcampen]

Judging is not the problem, it is how the judgement is done. Before I would let my teenage daughter go out with a boy, I would make a judgement about him as to whether I would allow it. This judgement is for the purpose of protection and guidance, and is my duty as a parent. So long as my judgement is not misplaced (such as being a racist), then it is certainly proper.

As a prosecutor, it is my job to judge the conduct of others to determine whether it is criminal, and if so, what the consequence ought to be. I judge the credibility of defendants, victims and witnesses everyday. I judge what the defendant has done in his or her life in aggrivation or mitigation towards sentencing, including non-criminal acts.

As a civilized society, we have to judge the moral and ethical conduct of eachother. Otherwise our society would crumble into anarchy. But, again, this judgement must be done properly, rationally, and thoughtfully. It really should be based on objectively identifiable reasons, and not done arbitrarily or ignorantly.

Everyone judges others everyday of their waking lives. Even those who claim not to judge others still judge others. It is part of the human condition, and ultimately essentially for our individual and collective survival. However, it is in how we make our judgements where the real issue resides.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Judging is not the problem, it is how the judgement is done. Before I would let my teenage daughter go out with a boy, I would make a judgement about him as to whether I would allow it. This judgement is for the purpose of protection and guidance, and is my duty as a parent. So long as my judgement is not misplaced (such as being a racist), then it is certainly proper.

As a prosecutor, it is my job to judge the conduct of others to determine whether it is criminal, and if so, what the consequence ought to be. I judge the credibility of defendants, victims and witnesses everyday. I judge what the defendant has done in his or her life in aggrivation or mitigation towards sentencing, including non-criminal acts.

As a civilized society, we have to judge the moral and ethical conduct of eachother. Otherwise our society would crumble into anarchy. But, again, this judgement must be done properly, rationally, and thoughtfully. It really should be based on objectively identifiable reasons, and not done arbitrarily or ignorantly.

Everyone judges others everyday of their waking lives. Even those who claim not to judge others still judge others. It is part of the human condition, and ultimately essentially for our individual and collective survival. However, it is in how we make our judgements where the real issue resides.

Good thing to do so, judging guys that your daughter wants to date. Makes her less vulnerable. As a parent there is no other way.

Being a prosecutor can not avoid you from judging LOL....I see that, and of course there is need of laws and the fact that they should be obeyed....

I think there is a big difference in just judging others and being careful and listen to your instincts. Like the little voice that says; "This is not an okay guy" (or better...person!). In therapy I learned that I need to listen to that little voice in my head. I didn't cause I was filled with the idea that everyone is good and so on. Stupid? Maybe, but I was a child...I am just now getting it hugely backfired at lil' ol' me.

But I am still careful about judging during discussions or anything like that. I do it...yes, I get angry and start to flame.... But that happens less and less. Controlling my little voice better makes me more secure about me and thus less judgmental about others. Sounds weird, but protecting yourself is not judging and pointing a finger at someone.

 

[*Starlight*]

When I judge another person I say that he is evil. And I am not wrong!

Well, I don't agree... For me, evil is a very strong word. A particular action, for example murder, can be evil, but no human is evil because there's something good in all people...

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Tangnefedd

Obviously if someone is guilty of murder, stealing, sexual crimes (paedophilia, rape and bestiality) then they will be judged and rightly so. But it is the stupid petty little 'sins' that some fundies dredge up that are not illegal, when judging others gets pathetic imo. Providing no one is being hurt, what one does in the privacy of one's own home is one's own business, and others should keep their noses out!

may I ask
1. Why would it be right to judge people who were guilty of the 'crimes' you mention?
2. Who would be in a position to judge those 'criminals'
3. Who woud say what the crimes were? I mean stealing doesnt necessarily hurt other people nor does bestiallity really does it?
4. What about those sexual 'crimes' like adultery and homosexual practice (as described in 1 Corinthians 6:9) which you didn't mention which I would have thought were more common than the ones you did mention? What if some people didnt think adultery was wrong, especially when for example two couples all agreed to it?
You see if we can't all decide on what the crime is, how can we judge the criminal?

 

[Tangnefedd]

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CRIME!