Judge Helps Illegal Escape

[Ana the Ist]

Sure, let's do that.

Ok.

Meh, ok.

Ahh, see, what happens "ostensibly" isn't a "fact". She might have asked it turned off so that the attorneys can say things off the record.

How are these facts? Your article didn't mention witnesses reporting that's how he left the building. And "it appears"? Really? Those aren't facts until they're supported by evidence.

Newton judge’s role reportedly examined after immigrant evades ICE - The Boston Globe

Here's another article with more details...

Shortly later, as the arraignment wrapped up, a courtroom employee informed the judge that “there was a representative from ICE here . . . requesting permission to visit lock-up.”

“I’m not going to allow them to come in here,” Joseph responded.

Minutes later, Medina-Perez left through a rear courthouse door, according to two people briefed on the incident.

So, yeah...looks like I'm right.

Also...

Minutes into the Newton District Court hearing for Jose Medina-Perez, his defense attorney asked the judge if he could approach the bench for a quick chat.

There, in hushed tones and whispers, the attorney walked through his client’s predicament with District Judge Shelley M. Joseph and a state prosecutor. They debated what to do with the defendant, who was in immediate danger of being deported.

Medina-Perez, picked up by Newton police on drug charges, faced a fugitive warrant for drunken driving in Pennsylvania and a detainer from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, according to a courtroom audio recording of the bench conference. In fact, an ICE agent was in the courthouse, waiting to detain Perez and start the deportation process.

So, yeah...looks like they strategized on how to evade ICE.

Anything else?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Also, their presence -- ready to haul off the "illegal" as soon as the court's business is concluded, could be seen as prejudicial.

It's almost like they're prejudiced against criminals who are here illegally. Who knew?

 

[Tanj]

4. The subject is led out the back of the courtroom (I'm assuming in cuffs since that is how every defendant enters and leaves court in every hearing I've ever been to) from which it appears he escapes through the back door and over the fence around the courthouse.

Kudos to the guy managing to jump a fence while handcuffed. That takes some dexterity.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's almost like they're prejudiced against criminals who are here illegally. Who knew?

Which has no bearing whatsoever on whatever crime they're accused of -- but thank you for proving my point.

 

[Moral Orel]

Newton judge’s role reportedly examined after immigrant evades ICE - The Boston Globe

Here's another article with more details...

So, yeah...looks like I'm right.

Also...

So, yeah...looks like they strategized on how to evade ICE.

Anything else?

You haven't shown anything other than she released him on his own recognizance, which I already acknowledged. Anyone else could have shown him the back door. Releasing him isn't "going to significant lengths" nor is it "ushering him out the back door and over a fence". What was said and not said after the recording was turned off is pure speculation on your part. Again, you made more claims than that she vaguely helped him. And all you've presented as evidence is "we don't know what was said after the recording was turned off, so it must have been her giving directions on how to make this guy's escape".

Now, you've got a legitimate complaint about her helping at all. I'm not defending that. But you've built a mountain out of a molehill. Admit it's a molehill, or prove it's the mountain you claimed it was.

 

[wing2000]

It's almost like they're prejudiced against criminals who are here illegally. Who knew?

It's almost as though you have no respect for our judicial process.

 

[dgiharris]

What parts of the story are missing? ICE showed up to the guy's hearing to begin deportation proceedings....judge helped him escape.

What other details did you want?

Same thing when you hear about police brutality... there are always those who do not want to condemn something they support and so they look for "any" out to avoid that condemnation. One very effective out that serves supporters of Law Enforcement is "Well, I don't have all the details..."

You response "What more details do you need, you have the main gist and main details" is a common response among those of us who feel an injustice has been done when arguing against people who want to support no matter what...... EDIT: this argument is somewhat subjective, I'm arguing for cases where we see "enough" of the beginning to have context to judge the end results. Yes, there are examples where there is not enough context or information to judge and I'm not talking about those...

IN the case of this judge, I will use the same logic and reason I use when evaluating police misconduct. Based on basic common sense and based on the salient facts that we do know, this judge should serve time in jail.

It is my belief that if you are part of the Justice System you wield an incredible amount of power and thus you need to be held to a HIGHER standard than Joe Q Public. If you abuse your power then the penalties for you should be greater than that for the average citizen because you've been entrusted with power and the ability to do harm with that power is much greater than that of the average citizen...

This Judge should do jail time and be made the poster boy for why anyone that is part of the justice apparatus shouldn't break the law

 

[Ana the Ist]

Kudos to the guy managing to jump a fence while handcuffed. That takes some dexterity.

Obviously they were taken off.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Same thing when you hear about police brutality.

No....it isn't.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You haven't shown anything other than she released him on his own recognizance, which I already acknowledged. Anyone else could have shown him the back door. Releasing him isn't "going to significant lengths" nor is it "ushering him out the back door and over a fence". What was said and not said after the recording was turned off is pure speculation on your part. Again, you made more claims than that she vaguely helped him. And all you've presented as evidence is "we don't know what was said after the recording was turned off, so it must have been her giving directions on how to make this guy's escape".

Now, you've got a legitimate complaint about her helping at all. I'm not defending that. But you've built a mountain out of a molehill. Admit it's a molehill, or prove it's the mountain you claimed it was.

What would you like to see as evidence? That the judge drew him a map?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Obviously they were taken off.

As that is a crucial part of being "released from custody," I'd suspect the court officers would have seriously dropped the ball had they forgotten to remove the handcuffs.

Some mistakes you just can't live down...

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's almost as though you have no respect for our judicial process.

How so?

 

[Ana the Ist]

As that is a crucial part of being "released from custody," I'd suspect the court officers would have seriously dropped the ball had they forgotten to remove the handcuffs.

Some mistakes you just can't live down...

No one is claiming that he escaped on his own.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Kudos to the guy managing to jump a fence while handcuffed. That takes some dexterity.

I'd say at least 16, which would give him a +3 modifier. The judge helping might have allowed him advantage on the ability check as well.

 

[Tanj]

I'd say at least 16, which would give him a +3 modifier. The judge helping might have allowed him advantage on the ability check as well.

I doubt the latter. More likely he spent his inspiration.

 

[Tanj]

Obviously they were taken off.

By whom? Is there some kind of police officer in on this? I doubt the judge carries handcuff keys.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No one is claiming that he escaped on his own.

Released from custody -- which was certainly not done on his own.

(Don't get me wrong -- something is certainly suspicious about the judge's behavior...)

 

[Moral Orel]

What would you like to see as evidence? That the judge drew him a map?

That would work. How do you know a plan was concocted? Maybe she released him, he made it into the hall and scrambled. Maybe his attorney made the plan and showed him to the door. Maybe he ran into a bailiff that was also not so ICE-friendly and he let him out the back. Heck, maybe the prosecutor made the plan and showed him the way. She wasn't looking to comply with ICE either in the recording.

What you're doing is laying it all at the feet of the judge with a whole lotta speculation on your part. At a minimum, she used the presence of an ICE officer to influence her decision on whether to release him on his own recognizance. That's bad, I agree. Everything else you've said she's done, since you've failed to produce evidence she has, you just made it up (or rather repeated someone else just making it up). Maybe you'll turn out to be right, but then it will just be a lucky guess. If it turns out you're wrong, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to come back to this thread and say, "Whoops!".

No one is claiming that he escaped on his own.

Did he escape, or did she release him?

 

[Ana the Ist]

By whom? Is there some kind of police officer in on this? I doubt the judge carries handcuff keys.

Most likely, yes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That would work. How do you know a plan was concocted? Maybe she released him, he made it into the hall and scrambled. Maybe his attorney made the plan and showed him to the door. Maybe he ran into a bailiff that was also not so ICE-friendly and he let him out the back. Heck, maybe the prosecutor made the plan and showed him the way. She wasn't looking to comply with ICE either in the recording.

What you're doing is laying it all at the feet of the judge with a whole lotta speculation on your part. At a minimum, she used the presence of an ICE officer to influence her decision on whether to release him on his own recognizance. That's bad, I agree. Everything else you've said she's done, since you've failed to produce evidence she has, you just made it up (or rather repeated someone else just making it up). Maybe you'll turn out to be right, but then it will just be a lucky guess. If it turns out you're wrong, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to come back to this thread and say, "Whoops!".

Oh that's easy, it's the judges courtroom.

She basically gets to say whether the guy leaves out the front, or the back, in cuffs or not, in custody of the ICE agent...or evading him.

For anyone else to claim it would be disobeying a higher authority than themselves....which seems unlikely.

Did he escape, or did she release him?

No one is claiming escape.