Jude, and 1 Enoch

[samaus123456789]

I can explain pretty much every single prophecy in the bible but it takes a long time so I will post an important one here
Jude quotes Enoch 7th from Adam about the Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD, and killing the people that killed Jesus, and quotes 1 Enoch 1:1-9. Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood about an event thousands of years into the future. He says people will be in tribulation like Jesus said 70 AD would be great tribulation. Enoch says God will come over MT Sinai because Jerusalem is metaphorically called MT Sinai (Galatians 4 25) first century AD, and Jesus told the apostles he was coming back in their lifetime. Jesus came back 70 AD like all the prophecies said, all the Israelites rose from the dead, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living pre destined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144 000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future. Gospel of Nicodemus inspired apocrypha for the wise only (like 1 Enoch is) has more info on people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Also some of the other acts Pilate has more info on the event too.

 

[johansen]

I can explain pretty much every single prophecy in the bible but it takes a long time so I will post an important one here
Jude quotes Enoch 7th from Adam about the Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD, and killing the people that killed Jesus, and quotes 1 Enoch 1:1-9. Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood about an event thousands of years into the future. He says people will be in tribulation like Jesus said 70 AD would be great tribulation. Enoch says God will come over MT Sinai because Jerusalem is metaphorically called MT Sinai (Galatians 4 25) first century AD, and Jesus told the apostles he was coming back in their lifetime. Jesus came back 70 AD like all the prophecies said, all the Israelites rose from the dead, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living pre destined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144 000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future. Gospel of Nicodemus inspired apocrypha for the wise only (like 1 Enoch is) has more info on people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Also some of the other acts Pilate has more info on the event too.

well if only it is that simple, what do we do now?

 

[Delvianna]

I can explain pretty much every single prophecy in the bible but it takes a long time so I will post an important one here
Jude quotes Enoch 7th from Adam about the Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD, and killing the people that killed Jesus, and quotes 1 Enoch 1:1-9. Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood about an event thousands of years into the future. He says people will be in tribulation like Jesus said 70 AD would be great tribulation. Enoch says God will come over MT Sinai because Jerusalem is metaphorically called MT Sinai (Galatians 4 25) first century AD, and Jesus told the apostles he was coming back in their lifetime. Jesus came back 70 AD like all the prophecies said, all the Israelites rose from the dead, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living pre destined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144 000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future. Gospel of Nicodemus inspired apocrypha for the wise only (like 1 Enoch is) has more info on people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Also some of the other acts Pilate has more info on the event too.

If that's the case, where is Jesus? Where is the millennial reign? Where's the separation of sheeps and goats?

If this was true, then there is a TON of scripture that is inaccurate. Like, no one walked into the temple and declared themself God in 70AD. A statue was set up to Zeus. Also, mountains haven't been flattened, we're a thousand years OVER the thousand year mark then when God is supposed to make the world new... I mean, there's a lot of issues with this.

 

[samaus123456789]

Everything I said is correct. Revelation is in chronological order, and Rev 13-22 is future. The new Jerusalem coming down to new physical heavens and earth, final judgement lake of fire in rev 20-22 is future still. Rev 13-22 won't happen until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enochs 10,000 year starting at creation 5500 BC prophecy.
Whatever the abomination of desolation was mentioned by Jesus happened 70 AD. He was referencing the one in Dan 9, and 12 both ended 70 AD. Dan 8 ended in Maccabees, and Dan 11 ended before 70 AD whenever it was. . The man of sin in Thes had to happen before 70 AD whatever it was. The believers body is the temple of God now.
The language about mountains is found in the old testament too. Paste 1 Enoch 1:1-9 into chat GPT, and ask it to show all the same language from the OT. In some cases it is metaphor for judgement other cases literal eg earthquakes the day Jesus died, and more leading up to 70 AD. All the stuff chat GPT will show was about the Babylonian or Maccabean judgements in the OT but some was about 70 AD too. Jesus about 70 AD-
Luke 21:22 NIV
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

There are NO issues with what I said. Rev 13-22 is future still.
Christians are supposed to love neighbor, and God help the poor sick needy etc or teach the bible preach. Not supposed to love money and focus on worldly gain.
The last kingdom of Daniel 2, and 7 is still future. It overlaps with Rev 13. It is the country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I can explain pretty much every single prophecy in the bible but it takes a long time so I will post an important one here
Jude quotes Enoch 7th from Adam about the Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD, and killing the people that killed Jesus, and quotes 1 Enoch 1:1-9. Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood about an event thousands of years into the future. He says people will be in tribulation like Jesus said 70 AD would be great tribulation. Enoch says God will come over MT Sinai because Jerusalem is metaphorically called MT Sinai (Galatians 4 25) first century AD, and Jesus told the apostles he was coming back in their lifetime. Jesus came back 70 AD like all the prophecies said, all the Israelites rose from the dead, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living pre destined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144 000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future. Gospel of Nicodemus inspired apocrypha for the wise only (like 1 Enoch is) has more info on people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Also some of the other acts Pilate has more info on the event too.

First, I want to address Judes letter and his reference from Enoch. Most likely this was directed to the very false teachers he was speaking about. These teachers were twisting grace into a license for immorality, but to defend their actions and teachings, they probably relied on ancient, non-canonical texts like the Book of Enoch, which they treated as having deep, secret knowledge. Jude's brilliant strategy was to turn their own authority against them: he selected Enoch's fiercest prophecy—that the Lord is coming in judgment—to serve as an undeniable, self-condemning verdict against their wicked deeds. Jude used a revered text from their own circle to deliver a final, authoritative punch, proving there is no escape from God’s justice for their ungodly actions.
Second, a full Preterist view, especially the hyper view you are describing in your post, is highly questionable at best and directly counters scripture at worse.
The early Church Fathers, like Eusebius and Epiphanius, preserve a strong tradition that the Christians in Jerusalem, warned by a divine revelation, fled the city to the town of Pella in Perea before the Roman siege in A.D. 70. Christians were absent from the siege and its destruction, demonstrating that A.D. 70 was a local, temporal judgment, not the promised universal, bodily resurrection and Second Coming.
If Christ's Second Coming, resurrection of the dead, and final judgment were fully realized in 70 AD, the gospel would be terminated, rendering the basis for all current Christian faith nullified.
Think about it.
Be blessed.

 

[samaus123456789]

There are 2 canons. The protestant one for everyone wise or not, then the apocrypha which means hidden extra books only for the wise. Jesus said God has hidden (apocrypha) some things from the wise of the world, and revealed them to babes (the humble?). Jesus referenced 1 Enoch, and called it scripture too. Him, and Jude both believed it was written pre flood not pseudepigrapha. Like I said Rev 13-22 is future. Yes flight to Pella was the 2nd woman fleeing in Rev 12 taken out of Jerusalem on eagles wings like the Israelites came out of Egypt on eagles wings. Commentary on Revelation 1-12 that happened 70 AD.
Rev 1-12 was just judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles, the prophets, and all the blood back to Abel. Pay attention to all the grammatical verb tenses in the NT/time statements... this generation won't pass, some of you standing here will not taste death, this will come on this generation, I wont this apostle to remain alive until I return etc. Only the Israelites rose from the dead 70 AD like Daniel 12, and some NT stuff said they would. Rev 20 the final judgement did not happen 70 AD. Rev 13-22 is future still.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

There are 2 canons. The protestant one for everyone wise or not, then the apocrypha which means hidden extra books only for the wise. Jesus said God has hidden (apocrypha) some things from the wise of the world, and revealed them to babes (the humble?). Jesus referenced 1 Enoch, and called it scripture too. Him, and Jude both believed it was written pre flood not pseudepigrapha. Like I said Rev 13-22 is future. Yes flight to Pella was the 2nd woman fleeing in Rev 12 taken out of Jerusalem on eagles wings like the Israelites came out of Egypt on eagles wings. Commentary on Revelation 1-12 that happened 70 AD.
Rev 1-12 was just judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles, the prophets, and all the blood back to Abel. Pay attention to all the grammatical verb tenses in the NT/time statements... this generation won't pass, some of you standing here will not taste death, this will come on this generation, I wont this apostle to remain alive until I return etc. Only the Israelites rose from the dead 70 AD like Daniel 12, and some NT stuff said they would. Rev 20 the final judgement did not happen 70 AD. Rev 13-22 is future still.

By chance are you an Ethiopian Orthodox?

 

[samaus123456789]

No. Inspired scripture stopped 70 AD (Daniel 9 said vision, and prophecy would stop 70 AD), and they have texts in their canon that are written after 70 AD like pseudo Josephus. The most important inspired apocrypha not pseudepigrapha texts for the wise only are 1 Enoch, 1/2 Maccabees, Assumption of Moses, Life of Adam, and Eve. For the NT it is gospel of Nicodemus, History of Joseph the Carpenter, Proto James.

 

[Delvianna]

There are instances of people in scripture quoting secular sources because that truth was correct but that doesn't mean the entirety of that writing is correct. For instance, Paul quotes the Greek poet Aratus in one of his poems "For we are also his offspring" but the poem was to Zeus. Paul repurposed it, but that doesn't mean we should go and accept Aratus's poem to Zeus and start incorporating it or believing in it.

The book of Enoch is widely regarded as a Pseudepigrapha. One reason why it was not written by Enoch is because it's in Aramaic (specifically the dialect that puts it around Daniels time) which puts the writings MUCH later. Now, as far as the "many authors" account, is because the styles, focus, and context changes. If there was a single author, it wouldn't do that. That's not even taking account of the inaccurate origin of evil vs what the bible says. There's a lot of scriptural problems between what the bible says and what the book of Enoch says. Examples:

1. Enoch (1 Enoch 6-8) says the primary source of corruption is the rebellion of 200 angels who had sex with women.
Scripture says its the fall of Adam and Eve due to sin. (Genesis)

2. (Pure blasphemy) Enoch (1 Enoch 37-71) says the heavenly figure of the "Son of Man", the "Elect One" and the ultimate judge is Enoch himself (1 Enoch 71:14)
Scripture says the "Son of Man" is Jesus (Mark 2:10, Mark 14:62, Mark 10:45, John 8:28)

It comes down to, which do you believe? The scriptures, or the book of Enoch because I choose the bible. Just because Jude referenced it, doesn't make the whole dang thing correct.