Joyce Meyer

[tateziwin]

Is it ok for Christians to listen to what Joyce Meyer has to say as long as we are fully aware of her doctrinal "errors"?
I mean, I think she has a lot of good advice mixed in with the rest of it and I really believe that SHE believes she means well.
I can imagine that there could possibly be a bit of debate over this but I really only want to know if it is actually a SIN to listen to her as I think the Bible states that women should not be preaching in Church. ( please forgive me if I am wrong, I am still quite new to this )

 

[Phoebe]

Are you thinking of the verse that says women shouldn't have authority over men?
What's wrong with it if she has a congregation full of women?

 

[ByzantineDixie]

I definitely do not think listening to Joyce Meyer is a sin. But...if you think it is a sin, then listening to her may be problematic for you. (Reference: Romans 14)

Personally...I LOVE Joyce. Yep, that's right...me, a member of PRE. She is not my pastor, she does not have any spiritual authority over me, and, yes, I have to filter some of the what she says through doctrinal filters (although not as much as you might think--she was educated in faith in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, but eventually was kicked out for speaking in tongues).

The Holy Spirit used 3 specific things to knock me out of my Sunday Morning Christian coma. Joyce's teaching of the Word was one of those things. A number of women I work with and go to church with are back in church with hearts ablaze for Jesus because the Holy Spirit worked through Joyce's teaching.

I do not expect listening to Joyce to be a popular stand to make on this board, though. I suspect if you post on the Charismatic board you'll get a lot more affirmation.

Be gentle, y'all.

Rose

 

[theologia crucis]

she was educated in faith in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, but eventually was kicked out for speaking in tongues).

Wow!!! I didn't know she was educated in the LCMS?!?!?!?! I guess the whole simul iustus et peccator and original sin truths didn't stay with her... When I heard her say "I am not a sinner!" emphatically, that just turned me off to her, because admission of sin and sinfullness is absolutely essential to the Christian life.

That wasn't too mean, was it?

 

[shout2thelord]

Is it ok for Christians to listen to what Joyce Meyer has to say as long as we are fully aware of her doctrinal "errors"?
I mean, I think she has a lot of good advice mixed in with the rest of it and I really believe that SHE believes she means well.
I can imagine that there could possibly be a bit of debate over this but I really only want to know if it is actually a SIN to listen to her as I think the Bible states that women should not be preaching in Church. ( please forgive me if I am wrong, I am still quite new to this )

If your only problem is that she is a women speaking in church then i think i have no problem listening to her - but then i think its ok for women to speak in church. But if you dont agree with her then you have to make your own decision on whether its right or not. but i wouldnt say it was a sin.

 

[12volt_man]

Is it ok for Christians to listen to what Joyce Meyer has to say as long as we are fully aware of her doctrinal "errors"?

No. The Bible tells us to mark people like her as anathema and have nothing to do with them.

It goes on to tell us that those who support people like her are considered by God to be "partakers with them in their evil deeds".

I guess the big question here is, if you're aware of her doctrinal errors, then why are you listeing to her in the first place? That's a bit like saying, "is it OK to drink this water as long as I know it's contaminated"?

I can imagine that there could possibly be a bit of debate over this but I really only want to know if it is actually a SIN to listen to her as I think the Bible states that women should not be preaching in Church. ( please forgive me if I am wrong, I am still quite new to this )[/color][/font]

It's not a sin to listen to a woman preacher but we are told to have nothing to do with those who teach the things she does.

 

[12volt_man]

Wow!!! I didn't know she was educated in the LCMS?!?!?!?! I guess the whole simul iustus et peccator and original sin truths didn't stay with her... When I heard her say "I am not a sinner!" emphatically, that just turned me off to her, because admission of sin and sinfullness is absolutely essential to the Christian life.

So is a belief in the sufficiency of Christ's atonement on the cross but she denies that, too.

Christians have no business having anything to do with her.

 

[ufonium2]

I'm sure there are Muslim clerics with good things to say despite their "doctrinal errors."

To me, among Christians, I would consider a doctrinal error to be more minor things that don't make someone not a Christian. That's why I can watch EWTN. They have lots of good stuff on there, even if I don't agree with some minor points. However, for someone to say "I am not a sinner" is a major thing, denying a core belief of all major sects of Christianity. If you believe you aren't a sinner, go ahead and watch. But, since you already acknowledged that she is in error, I'm going to assume you realize that you (and me and everybody else) are a sinner. In that case, you have no business watching heresy, even if you acknowledge it as such.

 

[shout2thelord]

ive only heard her speak a couple of times and ive not heard her say anything doctrinally incoorect - also ive looked at the statement of faith on the wesite www.joycemeyer.org and cant find anything out of place.

 

[Andyman_1970]

How does she "get around" the whole 1 Tim 3 issue, pastors/bishops/elders are to be the husband of one wife?

 

[ByzantineDixie]

That wasn't too mean, was it?

LOL--Nah...not at all.

There may be a contextual issue associated with what you heard. Her ministry is directed to people who have been beat up by this world and made to think they are nothing so she does emphasize the righteousness we are given in Christ.

Psst...my husband doesn't like her either. Can't stand the voice!

Love

Rose

 

[12volt_man]

ive only heard her speak a couple of times and ive not heard her say anything doctrinally incoorect - also ive looked at the statement of faith on the wesite www.joycemeyer.org and cant find anything out of place.

You've got to remember though, that a statement of faith is only a thumbnail sketch of what someone believes. It's not possible or practical for her or anyone to expound on each of her beliefs in detail in her statement of faith.

If you went to a Mormon site and looked at their statement of faith, you would probably say to yourself, "I don't see what the big deal deal is. They look like Christians to me". But when you look into what they teach, you find about that they think they're going to become gods, that God was a man, that Jesus was a created being who only became God because He kept certain laws, etc.

Same with Meyer.

When you look a little deeper into what she teaches, you see that a lot of what she says in completely contrary to sound Christian doctrine.

For instance, if you were to take a look at her book "The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", you would see on pp 35-36 that she says that the atonement did not take place on the cross, as the Bible teaches, but instead, she repeats the WoF heresy that Jesus and had to suffer in Hel to purchase the atonement. She goes so far as to call Him "the fairst born again man".

She says that God said to the demons who were "tormenting" Jesus, "Let Him go!" Where is this even remotely taught in scripture?

 

[ByzantineDixie]

For instance, if you were to take a look at her book "The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", you would see on pp 35-36 that she says that the atonement did not take place on the cross, as the Bible teaches, but instead, she repeats the WoF heresy that Jesus and had to suffer in Hel to purchase the atonement. She goes so far as to call Him "the fairst born again man".

She says that God said to the demons who were "tormenting" Jesus, "Let Him go!" Where is this even remotely taught in scripture?

I thought she revised her position on this? There are some things she has taught in the past which she acknowledges today were not fully correct.

Peace

Rose

 

[12volt_man]

I thought she revised her position on this? There are some things she has taught in the past which she acknowledges today were not fully correct.

I hope that she's repented of this but I tend to doubt it. I'm not aware that she has.

 

[BarbB]

Personally, while I don't listen to Joyce anymore, she has many fine lessons for women in bondage to abuse, alcohol, drugs, etc. She is also very good for basic Christian lessons - truly as a new Christian I NEVER heard her say the thinks 12volt say she said I was too busy learning the basics or the Holy Spirit shut my ears to incorrect teaching. And while she says that she's preaching, I say that she is teaching. OK in any book.

 

[12volt_man]

She is also very good for basic Christian lessons

What? The suffieicny of Christ's atonement is among the most basic of all Christian doctrines. If she trades that in for damnable heresy, how can you say that she's very good for basic Christian lessons?

 

[BarbB]

Honestly, 12volt - I NEVER heard her say anything like that. Truly! I was still reading the Bible for the first time and she spoke to my spirit about lots of character problems I had, like lying, gossiping, etc. She did me a lot of good!

 

[Tappanga]

Wow. I didn't know any of this. I only discovered her a few weeks ago. Saw her preaching on TV and she was using children's blocks and Barbies to make a point. My only thought was, "She needs PROPS to preach?!"



I would love to here more about her incorrect preachings so I can warn friends. Can someone PM me with more examples?

 

[Marissa]

I don't mind her. I've only read one of her books, but nothing that 12volt_man is saying has come through. Certainly nothing along the lines of "I'm not a sinner". Quite the opposite in fact. She gives examples where she has committed the sins she's talking about.

The fact that she is a woman doesn't bother me at all. Nothing I've read has shown me how she is going against the Lord, despite the constant claims that woman preaching isn't acceptable to Christ. I've looked, but I'm just not getting that.

There may be some doctrinal issues, but I think that everyone has some doctrinal issues and so long as we allow the Lord to guide us in our choices of which books to read, which sermons to attend etc. then we'll take out of it what he wants us to take out of it. That's about the best we can do, because everyone is going to say something wrong.

How does she "get around" the whole 1 Tim 3 issue, pastors/bishops/elders are to be the husband of one wife?

Do you believe that when a woman looks at a man lustfully, she commits adultery in her heart? The bible doesn't say that. It says that when a man looks at a woman lustfully he commits adultery. If you can switch the positions in one, why not the other?

 

[jazzbird]

I believe Word of Faith is heretical, therefore, I personally will not listen to Joyce.

Here is a website on why we should not listen to WoF preachers:

http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/tract3.html

These are some of the things WoF preachers have said:

"Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." (Kenneth Hagin, "The Incarnation," The Word of Faith (December 1980),

"Christians are little messiahs. Christians are little gods." (Benny Hinn, Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)

"Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him...He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God." Benny Hinn (TBN December 15 1990)

“As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word.” Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987)

“Jesus said, ‘It is finished.’ And He meant the Old Covenant. The job He had to do was just getting started. He really did the job the three days and nights that He was in hell. That’s where the job was done” “He was pronounced guilty on the cross but He paid the price in hell.” (From the Cross to the Throne Joyce Meyer, audio tape)