Joyce Meyer

[LeeS]

If she's a good teacher, then how is it that she has managed to teach such heresy?



But we don't all have error. The vast majority of the church today does hold to orthodoxy.

This has nothing to do with "pointing fingers". It's about following the Bible's command to judge those teachings that are put before us and those who teach false doctrine.

You say that God has put her in the limelight, but why would God send a false teacher to lead people into heresy when the Bible says that the role of the Holy Spirit is to lead us into truth?

And, that's your opinion

 

[LeeS]

Well, I don't have time to criticize the way God uses other people. I don't want to run off at the mouth, half-cocked about things I know nothing of and find out I was wrong and then feel ashamed when I meet them in heaven and have to apologize. I've been on the end of criticizism. And those criticizing thought they knew it all but really knew nothing.

The Bible says we are supposed to pray and uplift each other. No wonder most of the world wants nothing to do with Christianity. It's not the preaching coming from the mouth that is hindering, it's the preaching coming from the way we treat each other. Scripture says, they will know you are Christians by your love. Slander and gossip is a far cry from God's love.

 

[12volt_man]

She most definitely is charismatic. She most definitely is Pentacostal. If you believe it heresy to listen to someone who is so associated and preaches accordingly...then your opinion and position are understood.

But that's misrepresenting both charismatic and pentacostal beliefs. There are plaenty of charismatics who do hold to orthodoxy and most charismatics I know (including myself) would be horrified at her teachings on the atonement.

 

[12volt_man]

And, that's your opinion

Yes, it is my opinion.

What is not my opinion, but the opinion of God Almighty, is that we are to judge the teachings that we hear and to consider those who teach false doctrine to be anathema.

Again, I ask, if she's a good teacher and has been sent by God, then how do you explain her teaching on the atonement?

 

[12volt_man]

Well, I don't have time to criticize the way God uses other people. I don't want to run off at the mouth, half-cocked about things I know nothing of and find out I was wrong and then feel ashamed when I meet them in heaven and have to apologize. I've been on the end of criticizism. And those criticizing thought they knew it all but really knew nothing.

The Bible says we are supposed to pray and uplift each other. No wonder most of the world wants nothing to do with Christianity. It's not the preaching coming from the mouth that is hindering, it's the preaching coming from the way we treat each other. Scripture says, they will know you are Christians by your love. Slander and gossip is a far cry from God's love.

But this isn't slander and it's not "going off half cocked". Unfortunately, when she says something, she makes it public so that her words are known. This is not rumor, nor is it hearsay or gossip. The words I quoted her as having said were verbatem from her own book.

She has said these things. The Bible says to judge what teachers tell you.

Why is she exempt from BIblical scrutiny?

 

[ByzantineDixie]

But that's misrepresenting both charismatic and pentacostal beliefs. There are plaenty of charismatics who do hold to orthodoxy and most charismatics I know (including myself) would be horrified at her teachings on the atonement.

The atonement teachings you reference came from a book published in 1991. Joyce's pastor expressed concerns to her about those teachings, she listened and corrected the teachings in a second printing in 1993. She is not infallible. I find it encouraging that she heeds the advice of her pastor and does not consider herself perfect and above error.

My pastor (solid, conservative Lutheran pastor) tells us to check up on what he preaches to us. He has asked us to correct him if he strays or says something wrong. He admits he is not perfect either. Seems like an excellent quality for a teacher to have.

Grace and Peace to y'all

Rose

 

[12volt_man]

The atonement teachings you reference came from a book published in 1991. Joyce's pastor expressed concerns to her about those teachings, she listened and corrected the teachings in a second printing in 1993. She is not infallible. I find it encouraging that she heeds the advice of her pastor and does not consider herself perfect and above error.

I wrote to her "ministry" to ask about this. No answer. They didn't have time to answer my question but they were gracious enough to find time to send me two pieces of spam begging for money.

As I am not familiar with this and because they aren't willing to answer, I have to doubt that she has repented of this.

 

[LeeS]

But this isn't slander and it's not "going off half cocked". Unfortunately, when she says something, she makes it public so that her words are known. This is not rumor, nor is it hearsay or gossip. The words I quoted her as having said were verbatem from her own book.

She has said these things. The Bible says to judge what teachers tell you.

Why is she exempt from BIblical scrutiny?

I was not meaning to say that she is exempt from Biblical scrutiny. However, we must understand what is meant by Biblical scrutiny. How do you know for sure that your understanding of something is correct? And if you are misunderstanding and you have written that misunderstanding down does that mean that you are "Biblically" fair game for every pot shotty (I made that up) person who likes to throw pot shots? Are you not still a part of the body of Christ that deserves to be treated as such and have concerns brought up in a "Biblical" manner?

I use to work in the mail room of a very large Christian radio ministry. That one letter you send goes through a variety of processes. It starts out being opened and depending on the content's, can be sent a variety of differing directions. Your letter coming in gets recorded and the "system" automatically has your address now. Then the letter gets sent elsewhere, where people who have hundreds of letters to read and respond to are doing the best they can to respond in a timely manner. Give your fellow brothers and sisters a chance to respond.

I do know how you feel though. I went on a Missionary trip for another orginization. I had my Sunday School class of 4th graders put together packets for the kids I was going to be going to and inside the child could also include their address for a pen-pal. I found out later that those children received pleas for money from the orginization. I was extremely embarrassed. And this was not a Penticostal org. either.

 

[good4u]

Should anyone listen to Joyce Meyers, hmmmmm......

No, not really.

Mrs. Meyers is from my hometown and in fact, the nondenom church she got her start from was down the street from where I lived as a young adult.

What good can a false teacher give you that you need to seek her counsel?

I would recommend that you do not for why try and gleen the little good mixed with much, much heretical teaching.

I personally think you looking for someone to give you the go ahead on something you already know is not good for you to begin with.

Playing with spiritual fire will be more than you bargained for.

 

[12volt_man]

I was not meaning to say that she is exempt from Biblical scrutiny.

Then why do you criticize when we take what she says and compare it with scripture?

How do you know for sure that your understanding of something is correct?

It's not my understanding that's at issue. It's about how her teachings stack up against scripture.

In this case, I can be confident of my understanding because I can compare her teachings with scripture and with the historic teachings and creeds of Christianity and see for myself that her teachings are heretical.

And if you are misunderstanding and you have written that misunderstanding down does that mean that you are "Biblically" fair game for every pot shotty (I made that up) person who likes to throw pot shots?

But these are not "potshots", nor are they personal attacks or gossip.

 

[12volt_man]

Still no answer but two more pieces of spam.

 

[Aluther22]

Ephesians 2
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
People think that works will save them-take a look at this verse my friends!
Peace in Christ,
Aaron

 

[jesusson1]

Absolutely not. We shouldn’t listen to her nor support her ministry in any way. She is in the blab it and grab it movement and she has numerous false doctrines. And I don’t know if yall agree with woman preachers but according to the bible woman shouldn’t preach. So with that said, I think she needs a theology 101 check and she needs to repent from all her errors. She is a woman who loves luxury besides loving heresy. She has a private Jet, a new car for her hubby over $120 K, couple of mansions and houses for all her kids. But that’s not why I don’t like her; a person can have good theology and be a bad stuart my problem with her is that she is a heretic.


Blessings.

Is it ok for Christians to listen to what Joyce Meyer has to say as long as we are fully aware of her doctrinal "errors"?
I mean, I think she has a lot of good advice mixed in with the rest of it and I really believe that SHE believes she means well.
I can imagine that there could possibly be a bit of debate over this but I really only want to know if it is actually a SIN to listen to her as I think the Bible states that women should not be preaching in Church. ( please forgive me if I am wrong, I am still quite new to this )

 

[tigersnare]

People think that works will save them-take a look at this verse my friends!
Peace in Christ,
Aaron

Haha...I think most here would agree with you friend

 

[tigersnare]

Still no answer but two more pieces of spam.

I admire your unwillingness to compromise on what you feel the word of God says to you.

Do you have a Reformed Theology background? I've only seen reformed guys take the bible so seriously.

Nevertheless, I comend you friend, it's encouraging to see someone read and believe thier bible. I find it's not a very popular view of scripture...

 

[12volt_man]

I admire your unwillingness to compromise on what you feel the word of God says to you.

Thank you.

Do you have a Reformed Theology background? I've only seen reformed guys take the bible so seriously.

Depends on what day of the week you ask me. No, seriously, I'm just your garden variety baptist.

Nevertheless, I comend you friend, it's encouraging to see someone read and believe thier bible. I find it's not a very popular view of scripture...

Thank you. You're right, it's not popular and I'm OK with that but what's always a bit of a shock is to come on a Christian message board and be hassled by other Christians for wanting to follow God's word.

 

[Tenorvoice]

Hey 12volt_man
I would have to totaly agree on every bit of info you have set forth thus far about this womans "ministry".

The reason that people today have a har time accepting the Truth set forth by God in His Holy Word is because they are a part of a society that has benn victomized by a Godless, Christless, Non-Biblical philosophy of living that has been perpitrated for centuries on human thinking. Also what we are seeing in society today is the result of the French Revolution thinking humanistic egalitarian approach to life.


In 1 Peter 3:4 The Holy Spirit instructs athe woman to have a meek and quiet spirit which is in the sight of God of great value (Identification of a Godly Woman)
peace be with all

 

[Svt4Him]

Absolutely not. We shouldn’t listen to her nor support her ministry in any way. She is in the blab it and grab it movement and she has numerous false doctrines. And I don’t know if yall agree with woman preachers but according to the bible woman shouldn’t preach. So with that said, I think she needs a theology 101 check and she needs to repent from all her errors. She is a woman who loves luxury besides loving heresy. She has a private Jet, a new car for her hubby over $120 K, couple of mansions and houses for all her kids. But that’s not why I don’t like her; a person can have good theology and be a bad stuart my problem with her is that she is a heretic.


Blessings.

Let me ask you how much money you give to the poor?

 

[tigersnare]

Hmm..isn't there a verse about giving, where some woman gives only one coin and by comparison to what others were giving it wasn't much, yet Jesus said she has given the most because she's given all she had??


Where exactly are you going with that question?

 

[womendon'tbesilent]

I cannot believe that you would dismiss Joyce Meyer as heretical!! on the point of a very complex doctrine. How Phariseaical. What is more important, being entirely correct on doctrine, or bringing good news to women who finally see a face like theirs looking down from the pulpit & someone who has experienced the same feelings of worthlessness they have!? Your concern is not the people she's trying to reach out to but you being 'right' and better than someone who's 'heretical'.

The reason she dresses the way she does and makes a big deal out of caring for yourself is because she grew up in terrible circumstances and was abused by her father for years. Who are you to say that God has not given her what she has as a recompense, and as a blessing for 20+ years of tireless work? And if having money is wrong in God's eyes, then what happened with Job?