So what about people who live in areas where Christianity doesn't exist?
Are they condemned to burn simply because they drew the short straw concerning where they were born?
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Only those whom God has granted repentance to the acknowledging of the truth will repent. No one else understands spiritual things. False religions aren't the truth.
N/A. If we are saved, we will gladly do A and B.
Are you suggesting that I do not have the HS? At one time you went through the same process that I did to recieve the HS. Can the HS come and go at will?Your posts don't reflect an understanding of Calvin's teachings.
People who have the Holy Spirit are being taught truth and we aren't all at the same level of understanding nor are we expected to be.
Because Jesus said it and you can read it in Mark 16:16.
We have had this discussion about the thief on the cross. There is no scripture that says he was baptized or was not baprized. So you can not say he was not baptized, period. No one knows for sure. You can only speculate as to whether he was or not. You can only speculate, the scriptures are silent.
Christianity does a good job spreading the gospel around the world. Having 6 billion believers and missionaries helpsSo what about people who live in areas where Christianity doesn't exist?
Are they condemned to burn simply because they drew the short straw concerning where they were born?
Is that like mormons who drink coffee...but if someone doesn't then they were never truly saved to begin with, eh?
Yeah. It's a classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy. It's also a classic defense for when a person who claims to be "saved" doesn't live like it. So classic, in fact, that I've heard it ad nauseum from too many people before you.
So what about people who live in areas where Christianity doesn't exist?
Are they condemned to burn simply because they drew the short straw concerning where they were born?
Are you suggesting that I do not have the HS? At one time you went through the same process that I did to recieve the HS. Can the HS come and go at will?
In 2 paragraphs, explain Calvin's teachings about who is saved. Thanks.
Your right Phoebe Ann. The Holy Spirit is the seal of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. If the Holy Spirit can go, then Jesus Christ breaks His covenant with us, which is not possible. Christ ONLY gives the Holy Spirit upon salvation as a seal of the New Covenant. No Holy Spirit, No salvation/Your teaching is that he can come and go. My belief is that Mormonism is a sham and that a Mormon can't give or take him.
James is famous for saying that faith without works is DEAD. If you have dead faith, what have you? If you really do not have faith, will you still be saved by grace?Not so fast there, Pete. The above is basically a non-answer. Because it is precisely the "faith plus works" camp. Faith must be coupled with works. Faith plus works. Any way you slice it.
JS never learned that the grace of Jesus Christ saves end-of-story, because there is no such thing found in mormonism. Instead he decided to tie three works-based heavens (with their own multiple levels within each tier) into final, "at-the-end-of-life" Mormon salvation. There's no grace in such a notion, because grace cannot "fall" into the "faith.... plus works" camp. It's completely opposite of grace. Trick question? Not really. Not when you possess the divine equipment to actually think it through first.
This is precisely what happens when a Mormon attempts to figure out Christianity when they don't truly comprehend it, in order to "force-fit" it within mormonism. Doesn't work, Peter. A round Mormon peg can never fill a square Christianity hole. The glaring gaps can never fill those empty corners, revealing the truth -- of a false peg perched in a true square hole.
Or are you admitting here that Mormon salvation depends upon the tenets of abominable Christianity?
This is a hypothetical event: If you are saved, and have the HS, do you think the HS is going to be with you as you commit adultery with your neighbor, over and over for 5 years? Do you really think the HS will remain with you if you do evil things?Your right Phoebe Ann. The Holy Spirit is the seal of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. If the Holy Spirit can go, then Jesus Christ breaks His covenant with us, which is not possible. Christ ONLY gives the Holy Spirit upon salvation as a seal of the New Covenant. No Holy Spirit, No salvation/
Did you do your research on Calvin's teachings?Your teaching is that he can come and go. My belief is that Mormonism is a sham.
John 3
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Where in the Bible does it say that Christ will break His Covenant with us and take away the Holy Spirit?This is a hypothetical event: If you are saved, and have the HS, do you think the HS is going to be with you as you commit adultery with your neighbor, over and over for 5 years? Do you really think the HS will remain with you if you do evil things?
But the point is not about the person who will be damned, it is about the person who is saved.This gets answered countless times. The person who will be damned is he that believeth not. Your next question?
But the point is not about the person who will be damned, it is about the person who is saved.
For countless times you go to the last part of the verse and concentrate on the person who is damned and you refuse to acknowledge what Jesus says is necessary to be saved.
Jesus says you need to believe and be baptized in order to be saved.
He also says that if you don't believe you will be damned. Why did he not say, "if you don't believe and are not baptized, you will be damned?
Why did Jesus leave out baptism? It is simple. If you do not believe, why would one even think about being baptized in the name of the Father and the Son, and the HS? They would not, it is a given. Jesus did not need to mention baptism for one that does not believe.
But the point is: in order to be saved, Jesus said you need to believe and be baptized. Am I right or wrong?
Phoebe, am I right or wrong. This is not about JS, this is about what Jesus said in the bible. Am I right or wrong?
I would like to see a scripture that says if a person isn't for some reason able to be baptized, then Jesus's baptism takes care of that. OR if for some reason they cannot be baptized, the HS takes care of that in the baptism of the Spirit. To my knowledge, I have not read a scripture like that. Is that a SDA doctrine?Sorry, but I know several people who were baptized who not only did not believe, only got baptized for their own reasons---myself included. I had personal reasons for getting baptized, none of which had anything to do with God. Through the years, I know several people that did it for the sake of the spouse, or the children, or to get ahead in the church, or other reasons, but not because their heart was in it. When I came back to God, I was re-baptized. And as has been ststed, Jesus also said
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luk_7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk_8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jesus said be baptized once, faith and believe, much more frequently. If you can be, then certainly one should be baptized, but there have been times when a person could not be, and Jesus' baptism takes care of that----His covers it. And the Holy Spirit takes care of it---for they are baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Yup. That's why the Bible tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit.This is a hypothetical event: If you are saved, and have the HS, do you think the HS is going to be with you as you commit adultery with your neighbor, over and over for 5 years? Do you really think the HS will remain with you if you do evil things?
God chose our places of birth. Did He choose correctly or incorrectly?
Is that like mormons who drink coffee
I would like to see a scripture that says if a person isn't for some reason able to be baptized, then Jesus's baptism takes care of that. OR if for some reason they cannot be baptized, the HS takes care of that in the baptism of the Spirit. To my knowledge, I have not read a scripture like that. Is that a SDA doctrine?
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