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How much food does your church produce for the hungry?Hey, everyone else in this thread: How many malls has your church opened?
Zero?
Seriously! How does owning a mall further their [false] gospel? Free BOM with every purchase?Hey, everyone else in this thread: How many malls has your church opened?
Zero?
You didn't answer the question - where did your church get the money to make these investments in the first place?Members can find out where their tithing money is spent. We do not have access to all of the financial records of the church.
Unemployment and EmploymentSeriously! How does owning a mall further their [false] gospel? Free BOM with every purchase?
How much money is your church hiding from you?How much food does your church produce for the hungry?
LDS church donates 19 tons of food to Interfaith.
LDS Charities Food Production and Nutrition Program
Millions of pounds of supplies produced by LDS Church farms, facilities
The fruits of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are pretty obvious.You didn't answer the question - where did your church get the money to make these investments in the first place?
If you don't have access to all of the financial records of your church, does that not send up a huge red flag to you? But then you trust your prophet(s) to the very end, even when they are wrong, so maybe it doesn't concern you.
I will be upfront and say that I don't know much about the mall nor the current financial status of the church other than what I've already posted. Currently, I'm still researching church history from 1820-1890.People are quick to mention the City Creek mall but fail to mention the billions spent on humanitarian aid or the extensive welfare programs of the church.
LDS Charities: How Church Donations are Used
Good deeds will not get you into heaven. But once again, you avoid answering not just one, but now two direct questions. Just following the old Mormon Missionary playbook, eh?The fruits of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are pretty obvious.
Millions of pounds of supplies produced by LDS Church farms, facilities
Did you not see a Deseret Industries store and know that it had a cash flow? Just because a person doesn't know about something does not mean it is a deception. The Deseret Industries has been around since 1938.I will be upfront and say that I don't know much about the mall nor the current financial status of the church other than what I've already posted. Currently, I'm still researching church history from 1820-1890.
I will say that 1. As a member I was always taught and it was a point of pride to tell others that our men were men of God because the leaders were never paid. To my shock, I learn that the prophet and apostles actually are paid. Whether they are paid from tithing or not is irrelevant. Just add it to the pile of deceptions. 2. I was never told about the mall. I had to learn about it after I left. Neither did I know that the church had cash flow other than tithing. SO, I guess just add that to the pile of deceptions as well.
Perhaps you don't understand the answers. One of the reasons that the unemployment rate in Utah is so low is because of church employment. There is no red flag because I can see what the church is doing.Good deeds will not get you into heaven. But once again, you avoid answering not just one, but now two direct questions. Just following the old Mormon Missionary playbook, eh?
How much food does your church produce for the hungry?
LDS church donates 19 tons of food to Interfaith.
LDS Charities Food Production and Nutrition Program
Millions of pounds of supplies produced by LDS Church farms, facilities
The difference being Deseret Industries is a non-profit entity, similar to Goodwill. City Creek Mall is owned by a for profit (or is it for prophet?) LDS corporation.Did you not see a Deseret Industries store and know that it had a cash flow? Just because a person doesn't know about something does not mean it is a deception. The Deseret Industries has been around since 1938.
Ignorance on your part is not deception on the church's part.I will be upfront and say that I don't know much about the mall nor the current financial status of the church other than what I've already posted. Currently, I'm still researching church history from 1820-1890.
I will say that 1. As a member I was always taught and it was a point of pride to tell others that our men were men of God because the leaders were never paid. To my shock, I learn that the prophet and apostles actually are paid. Whether they are paid from tithing or not is irrelevant. Just add it to the pile of deceptions. 2. I was never told about the mall. I had to learn about it after I left. Neither did I know that the church had cash flow other than tithing. SO, I guess just add that to the pile of deceptions as well.
Ignorance on your part is not deception on the church's part.
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Tell me what your think?
You said: " I do remember once comparing the LDS' charitable giving to that of Christians more generally in the USA, and it not coming out looking too good for the LDS." Was that per capita? You do realize that the LDS Church is only 1.6% of the population of the United States while Christianity comprises 65%. So did Christians give 40 times as much to charity?Seeing as how several entire industries are 100% run by Coptic Christians in Egypt (those things that Muslims will not touch for religious reasons: pig farming, wine production, etc.), I'm going to guess quite a bit, at least relative to our size (~10% of Egypt). I couldn't find more recent numbers, but for instance in Manshiet Nasr (Christian suburb of Nasr City), in 2014 they were rearing 50,000-80,000 pigs, which was down from a high of 350,000 in 2009 -- the year the Mubarak government decided to outlaw pigs and destroy the existing livestock (see here). Elsewhere in the country, further from the capital, the percentage of Christians is much higher, and they are mostly poor farmers, so chances are greater the further south you are from Cairo that your food or produce will be the result of a Christian's work at some point in the distribution chain. (And in the USA, anecdotally I can say that when I was in NY staying at the monastery of St. Shenouda, I saw them bring food to the homeless myself. I doubt that's something only they or churches within their diocese are doing.)
What any of this has to do with your church being a bunch of greedy investment banker types, I don't know. I don't recall anyone ever claiming that the LDS corporation doesn't have its charitable arms, so that's a non-sequitur if there ever was one, though I do remember once comparing the LDS' charitable giving to that of Christians more generally in the USA, and it not coming out looking too good for the LDS.
You said: " I do remember once comparing the LDS' charitable giving to that of Christians more generally in the USA, and it not coming out looking too good for the LDS." Was that per capita? You do realize that the LDS Church is only 1.6% of the population of the United States while Christianity comprises 65%. So did Christians give 40 times as much to charity?
Many churches have for profit businesses.The difference being Deseret Industries is a non-profit entity, similar to Goodwill. City Creek Mall is owned by a for profit (or is it for prophet?) LDS corporation.
Why do you think we are not in the top ten?But for being amongst the top 10 richest churches, how come you are not amongst the 10 givers?
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