Johnson on Biden’s Mental Decline: ‘I Will Submit to a Polygraph’ if Anyone Doubts My Interactions

[KCfromNC]

Do you know the meaning of vulgar? it's characteristic of or belonging to the masses. It comes from the Latin meaning common people.

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[Hazelelponi]

Logical Fallacy: The Etymological Fallacy

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Well, when Trump talks the way everyone talks, then talking heads and parrots start making insults - they insult not only the one, every single time.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well, when Trump talks the way everyone talks

Yeah, let us know when that starts happening.
Meanwhile, my point about attempting to equivocate on the word "vulgar" stands.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yeah, let us know when that starts happening.
Meanwhile, my point about attempting to equivocate on the word "vulgar" stands.

In what way does he speak differently than most people?

The only thing I noticed is that he always trys to speak slower so he's more clear.

 

[childeye 2]

Biden's own words:


“assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,”

Who were those spreading hate that day? The neo-nazis and white supremacist. The very ones Trump condemned. So Biden is spreading a lie.

Biden indeed would be spreading a lie IF it were true that Trump had said the neo nazi's were the one's spreading hate that day as evidenced by the guy driving his car into the crowd of peaceful protesters. But Trump didn't say that. Trump said both sides were spreading hate bigotry and violence. So, Biden isn't lying.

There were people on both sides to blame. Those who instigated fights. Which was on both sides.

That's drawing a moral equivalence. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." <----This is drawing a moral equivalence.

Which is true.

What is true is that Trump is obfuscating, spreading the blame on both sides.

There were the neo-nazis/white supremacists and the protestors instigating fights.


And there were those who peacefully protested for or against the taking down of the statue.

That's obfuscation. It's a false moral equivalency. We can see with our own eyes the pro-confederate statue guy driving his car into the very fine people on the other side.

This is an outright lie. He never made any such equivelence.

Right here: --->We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

"And I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalists. Because they should be condemned totally."

Which would include the driver, who was a neo-nazi.

Q The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest —

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. <--- this is obfuscating, the reporter is clearly stating that the neo-Nazi's started this and Trump deflects by saying there were also very fine people on both sides.

Biden is claiming Trump made a moral equivalence between neo-nazis and protesters when he state "very fine people on both sides" after Trump made it clear he wasn't talking about neo-nazis.

Biden is conveying that by pointing out that there were very fine people (peaceful protesters) on both sides, Trump is drawing a false moral equivalence through obfuscation.

Hence Biden is spreading a lie about Trump calling neo-nazis and white supremacist very fine people

Biden didn't say that, he said "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,"

He's saying Trump is making both sides appear the same because both sides had peaceful protesters.

 

[childeye 2]

You mean like the article by USA Today I posted which is a left wing site?

USA Today - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

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How does saying they both share horrible traits show that I like Trump? I would think that shows the exact opposite.

I think we're getting off topic here.

 

[childeye 2]

Since the thread topic is about Biden, the ones doing the whataboutisms are all those bringing up Trump. That includes you.





That's not what projection is and not how it works. Every definition of projection defines it as projecting one's own personal negative attributes onto another.

The only one who could project Trump's negative attributes onto Biden would be Trump himself.






Because that would be actual projection. Please read the dictionary definition.

Here is projection in scripture:
Titus 1:14
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

 

[MrMoe]

Biden indeed would be spreading a lie IF it were true that Trump had said the neo nazi's were the one's spreading hate that day as evidenced by the guy driving his car into the crowd of peaceful protesters. But Trump didn't say that.

Except he did. Those spreading hate, bigotry and violence that Trump mentioned would naturally include the neo-nazis, which would include the nazi driver.

Trump said both sides were spreading hate bigotry and violence.

Protesters were indeed spreading violence by starting fights with the neo-nazis. They were also shouting hateful and bigoted slurs at non neo-nazi peaceful protestors.

So, Biden isn't lying.

I proved your "IF" scenario true. So Biden was lying.

That's drawing a moral equivalence. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." <----This is drawing a moral equivalence.

What is true is that Trump is obfuscating, spreading the blame on both sides.

That's obfuscation. It's a false moral equivalency. We can see with our own eyes the pro-confederate statue guy driving his car into the very fine people on the other side.

Right here: --->We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."


Q The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest —

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. <--- this is obfuscating, the reporter is clearly stating that the neo-Nazi's started this and Trump deflects by saying there were also very fine people on both sides.

Biden is conveying that by pointing out that there were very fine people (peaceful protesters) on both sides, Trump is drawing a false moral equivalence through obfuscation.


Biden didn't say that, he said "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,"

He's saying Trump is making both sides appear the same because both sides had peaceful protesters.

Your attempts here to obfuscate Biden's obvious implication that Trump called neo-nazis very fine people doesn't matter any more since I found this video of Biden directly stating the lie that Trump called neo-nazi very fine people.

Reporter: "Mr. vice president are you aware that you're misquoting Donald Trump in Charlottesville, he never called neo-nazis very fine people."

Biden: "He called all those folks who walked out of that- they were neo-nazis shouting hate, their veins bulging."

There it is. He continues to spread this lie despite being confronted with the truth. There it is clear as day... Or at least as clear as Biden can be with all his mumbling and stammering.

 

[MrMoe]

Here is projection in scripture:
Titus 1:14
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

This isn't projection, this is perception.

perception

1. a belief or opinion, often held by many people and based on how things seem…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Non of these verses fit the definition of projection.

 

[childeye 2]

Except he did. Those spreading hate, bigotry and violence that Trump mentioned would naturally include the neo-nazis, which would include the nazi driver.

When I said Trump didn't "SAY", I meant 'say' the words that specify that 'The neo nazis were the cause of the horrible violence we saw'. Instead, Trump obfuscated by saying 'on all sides'. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." <----This is drawing a moral equivalence.

Protesters were indeed spreading violence by starting fights with the neo-nazis. They were also shouting hateful and bigoted slurs at non neo-nazi peaceful protestors.

But they didn't use their car to try and kill people. False moral equivalence.

I proved your "IF" scenario true. So Biden was lying.

You only made an assertion that since Trump said all sides, that would include the neo nazis, inferring that somehow that's not drawing a moral equivalence. But that's actually the reason why people saw he was drawing a moral equivalence. Now had he said something like, "We denounce the hatred and bigotry and violence that killed a young woman", that would have been crystal clear.

Your attempts here to obfuscate Biden's obvious implication that Trump called neo-nazis very fine people doesn't matter any more since I found this video of Biden directly stating the lie that Trump called neo-nazi very fine people.

Reporter: "Mr. vice president are you aware that you're misquoting Donald Trump in Charlottesville, he never called me neo-nazis very fine people."

Biden: "He called all those folks who walked out of that- they were neo-nazis shouting hate, their veins bulging."

There it is. He continues to spread this lie despite being confronted with the truth. There it is clear as day... Or at least as clear as Biden can be with all his mumbling and stammering.

Neo-Nazis and white supremacists came to Charlottesville to protest the taking down of a confederate statue that to them was a very important symbol of culture in the southern states. Violence broke out. As pertains to levels of violence, there is no moral equivalence between using a car as a weapon to mow down peaceful protestors, and two groups facing off with clubs. There's no moral equivalence between neo nazi white supremacist ideology and those who would stand up against that ideology. There is no moral equivalence between the hatred and bigotry that white antisemitic neo-Nazis show and those who hate the hatred and bigotry of white antisemitic neo-Nazis.

Having said that, I grant you that in this video Biden clearly does deny that Trump had excluded the nazis when Trump had said there were fine people on both sides.

But did you stop to think that Joe might be referring to this exchange before calling him a liar?
Reporter: “Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?”

Trump: “I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs — and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

“But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left — you just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) “… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the — “

Trump: “Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides — I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.”

Reporter: “The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest — “

Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

 

[childeye 2]

This isn't projection, this is perception.

Yes, it is perception. Nonetheless, the cynic sees things different than the pure of heart and they project that cynicism onto others.

Non of these verses fit the definition of projection.

Believe it or not, all of the verses are about projection. We all project who we are, particularly in how we judge others. The carnal mind projects carnal vanity. We all project an image of God/god. If it's the god of this world, that says do it to them before they do it to you, then we project that onto others. If we project the Character of Christ, then we see others as ourselves and we love others as ourselves.

Projection is a psychological process whereby an individual unconsciously projects their thoughts, feelings, or behaviors onto someone else. It is a defense mechanism that people use to cope with and decrease internal stress. Projection can be used to describe defensive projection, which is attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another. In psychoanalytical theory, projection is the process whereby one subject believes they see attributes (both good and bad) in another.

Example of projecting cynicism:
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

 

[KCfromNC]

In what way does he speak differently than most people?

Beautiful company, beautiful, guy’s been doing it for 50 years, sells hundreds of boats, they use Mercury engines, they want to take that out, they want to make it all-electric, I asked, “How is it?” He said, ‘It’s a problem, sir, they want us to make all electric boats, the problem is, the boat is so heavy, it can’t float.’ I said, ‘that sounds like a problem.’ He said, ‘also it can’t go fast because of the weight, and they want to now have a 50 mile or 70 mile radius, you have to go out 70 miles before you can really start the boat up, and you go out at two knots, that’s essentially almost like two miles an hour.’ I said, ‘How long does it take you to get out there?’ He said, ‘many hours, and then you’re allowed to go around for ten minutes, and then you have to come back, because the battery only lasts a very short period of time.’ So I said, ‘let me ask you a question,’ and he said, 'nobody has ever asked this question,’ and it must because of MIT, my relationship to MIT. ‘Very smart,’ he goes. I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight, and you’re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery’s now under water, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there — by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice that? Lotta shark attacks — I watched some guys justifying it today, ‘well they weren’t really that angry, they bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were, they were … not hungry but they misunderstood who she was.’ These people are crazy.’ He said, ‘there’s no problem with sharks, they just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming,’ No, really got decimated and other people too, a lot of shark attacks, so I said, ‘there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards, or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking? Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?’ Because I will tell you, he didn’t know the answer, he said, ‘you know, nobody’s ever asked me that question.’ I said, ‘I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.’ But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted? I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark. So we’re going to end that, we’re going to end it for boats, we’re going to end it for trucks.​

​

Donald J. Trump, June 2024

 

[Ted-01]

That's amazing!
When I opened this thread, I was thinking how similar Biden is behaving like Reagan did back in the '80's...

 

[RoBo1988]

Who’s really calling the shots in the Biden administration? | Blaze Media

At the moment, the American people are in the dark about who is actually running the executive branch of our government.

www.theblaze.com

There is a splendid, although now largely debunked, myth that Grigory Potemkin, a former lover and official in the service of Russian Empress Catherine the Great, constructed a series of lovely fake villages (by erecting only facades) along the Dnieper River that could be moved as the monarch progressed, to impress her with this actually insubstantial evidence of her imperial glory.

Whatever the truth of this Russian ministerial chicanery, it appears that we are in the throes of what could be described as a “Potemkin presidency.” Joe Biden makes some ceremonial appearances but avoids almost all substantive encounters with the press, and when he does speak in public, he has a halting delivery, appears to struggle with inaccurate memory, and betrays confusion.

I picture the " Potemkin war room" in this administration; the president sitting at a table with a bowl of tapioca, while gen x-y-z staffers scurry about preparing papers for his signature.

"What am I signing? " The president asks. "Never mind, Mr president, just sign this; the Choco Choco Chip is on its way"

 

[childeye 2]

That's amazing!
When I opened this thread, I was thinking how similar Biden is behaving like Reagan did back in the '80's...

Amazing how much propaganda is out there.
propagandists claim there's no chair

 

[childeye 2]

This looks like to me to be something that is called "splitting hairs".

Just showing the facts.

 

[Ted-01]

Amazing how much propaganda is out there.
propagandists claim there's no chair

I agree with you 100% about propaganda being out there... on both sides. It's been used before you, and I were born. It's picked up speed in my lifetime and it seems that it's being used more blatantly and IMHO it's created the post-modern way, where cynicism mixed with relativism rule. I see it also in social media venues.

But the thing is, regardless of how many pundits weigh in on the "chair issue", they never show the chair in any of their "fact-check" twaddle. They merely talk about intentions...

There was no chair.

 

[childeye 2]

I agree with you 100% about propaganda being out there... on both sides. It's been used before you, and I were born. It's picked up speed in my lifetime and it seems that it's being used more blatantly and IMHO it's created the post-modern way, where cynicism mixed with relativism rule. I see it also in social media venues.

But the thing is, regardless of how many pundits weigh in on the "chair issue", they never show the chair in any of their "fact-check" twaddle. They merely talk about intentions...

There was no chair.

Why post propaganda? Why deceive people? Of course there was a chair. The snippet shows Biden hesitating as he goes to sit down because the secretary of defense is being introduced, but never shows him sit down. The full video shows him when he sits down.

Here is the full video: Biden sits down at 8:29:58

 

[Pommer]

I agree with you 100% about propaganda being out there... on both sides. It's been used before you, and I were born. It's picked up speed in my lifetime and it seems that it's being used more blatantly and IMHO it's created the post-modern way, where cynicism mixed with relativism rule. I see it also in social media venues.

But the thing is, regardless of how many pundits weigh in on the "chair issue", they never show the chair in any of their "fact-check" twaddle. They merely talk about intentions...

There was no chair.

I never thought the “ability“ to recognize a chair and it’s correct usage, would ever be a criterion in the fitness of a Candidate for High Office in this land but here we are.

If this is what passes for cogent political thought in 2024, count me out.

 

[Ted-01]

Why post propaganda? Why deceive people? Of course there was a chair. The snippet shows Biden hesitating as he goes to sit down because the secretary of defense is being introduced, but never shows him sit down. The full video shows him when he sits down.

Here is the full video: Biden sits down at 8:29:58

Why accuse people of things that you do? What's in your heart that would cause you to behave this way?

You were right.
I was wrong and I bought into totally fabricated propaganda.
Thank you for showing me a clip that shows things that the pundits failed to do.