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John saw The Great Multitude in Heaven as well as the Souls under the Altar awaiting revenge

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In the vision of the Grief Tribulation, John saw a great multitude of people in heaven
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John has been explained who are these multitude,
14....These are they which came out of great tribulation,
These multitude with their physical bodies wont suffer from hunger or heat or thirst any longer.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Because their bodies will become incorruptible as prophesied by Paul :
1 Cor 15:52 in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

THE GREAT MULTITUDE CONSIST OF THE RESURRECTED CHRISTIANS SINCE THE EARLY CHURCH AND THE LIVING SAINTS.
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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JOHN HAS ALSO SEEN THE SOULS OF THE MARTYRS IN HEAVEN, THESE WERE ASKED TO BE PATIENT.
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11...they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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THE MARTYRS UNDER THE ALTAR WHO DIED IN 7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION WILL BE RESURRECTED TO RULE WITH CHRIST WHEN THE TRIBULATION IS OVER.
Rev 20:4 ....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived again....
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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them....
(1 Cor 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world ?)
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JESUS WILL THEN LEAD THESE PEOPLE TO BATTLE AT ARMAGEDDON AND TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
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ANTICHRIST AND HIS ARMIES WILL KNOW THE TIMING OF THE 2ND COMING AND THEY WILL PREPARE TO BATTLE IN THE ARMAGEDDON FIELD AS THEY KNOW JESUS WILL COME TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.14...to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
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Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,

After the Armageddon battle Jesus will return to Mt. Olive
Jesus will then lead all saints to Jerusalem and will retouch the ground of Mt. Olive

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Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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The 144000 are the first fruit from the HEBREW who will be sealed for protection be4 the destruction on earth.
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
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The 144000 can not be hurt in the grief tribulation.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Because of their testimony many people will be martyred for refusing to worship and rcv the mark of the beast.

When the tribulation is over they will welcome Jesus and His Saints on Mt. Sion and sing a song.
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Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

(Let me return to my Saviour)
 

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THE MARTYRS UNDER THE ALTAR WHO DIED IN 7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION WILL BE RESURRECTED TO RULE WITH CHRIST WHEN THE TRIBULATION IS OVER.
Rev 20:4 ....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived again....
Just wondering if you know what the souls under the altar is actually about? There were literally relics of the martyrs kept under or built into the altars. Historical fact.
 
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Very imaginative indeed. I must confess that I no longer put any faith at all in end times speculations.
People's ignorance will fulfill this warning from Jesus :
Luke 17:28 "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.
29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and brimstone rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.…
 
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Just wondering if you know what the souls under the altar is actually about? There were literally relics of the martyrs kept under or built into the altars. Historical fact.
Have you been to the Altar ?
 
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I have seen several of them.
John has seen in heaven the Great Multitude and also the Souls under the Altar, what is the conclusion we can take ? It has proven that
the souls under the altar were not the part of the Great Multitude taken alive but they are the LEFT BEHIND FOOLISH VIRGINS who refuse to worship the beast and killed, they are waiting for their fellows who shall be brave enough to deny the beast and its mark and be killed like them.
 
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John has seen in heaven the Great Multitude and also the Souls under the Altar, what is the conclusion we can take ? It has proven that
the souls under the altar were not the part of the Great Multitude taken alive but they are the LEFT BEHIND FOOLISH VIRGINS who refuse to worship the beast and killed, they are waiting for their fellows who shall be brave enough to deny the beast and its mark and be killed like them.
Imaginative.
 
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John has seen in heaven the Great Multitude and also the Souls under the Altar, what is the conclusion we can take ? It has proven that
the souls under the altar were not the part of the Great Multitude taken alive but they are the LEFT BEHIND FOOLISH VIRGINS who refuse to worship the beast and killed, they are waiting for their fellows who shall be brave enough to deny the beast and its mark and be killed like them.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.
This one verse kills the pretrib doctrine.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.



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And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb This one verse kills the pretrib doctrine..
These people are the ones who overcome and they are alive and taken to the cloud.
1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Are you the kind of bridegroom who will let your bride beaten black and blue and then beheaded be4 marriage.
 
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Are you the kind of bridegroom who will let your bride beaten black and blue and then beheaded be4 marriage.

Maybe you do not know what happened to all of the apostles, except John.

Maybe you have never read Foxe's Book of the Martyrs.

Maybe you do not know that our Brothers and Sisters around the world are being murdered for our faith.

Maybe some of us live in a bubble...


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You are funny , you don't even understand the scripture you post





Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.
This one verse kills the pretrib doctrine.


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


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Maybe you do not know that our Brothers and Sisters around the world are being murdered for our faith.
Jesus will fetch His Bride (the wise virgins) sound and alive.
1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...

Are you the kind of groom who will let your bride beaten black and blue and then beheaded be4 marriage, that will happen to the foolish virgins leftbehind.
 
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Jesus will fetch His Bride (the wise virgins) sound and alive.
1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...

Are you the kind of groom who will let your bride beaten black and blue and then beheaded be4 marriage, that will happen to the foolish virgins leftbehind.

Why don't you quote the whole passage in context?

Christ "descends" in the passage.
Get out a dictionary and look up the word "descend".

The words "we" and "sleep" in 1 Thessalonian 5:10 prove that chapter 5 is connected to chapter 4.
The event is described at the end of chapter 4, and the timing is given at the beginning of chapter 5, on the Day of the Lord, when He "comes as a thief".
The same language is used in 2 Peter 3:10, and Revelation 16:15-16, which are Second Coming passages.



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Why don't you quote the whole passage in context?
Do you refuse to be taken alive ? Thats your rights.
1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...
 
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Why don't you quote the whole passage in context?

Christ "descends" in the passage.
Get out a dictionary and look up the word "descend".
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The text does Not say Jesus descended to earth , he comes to the clouds !
How many clouds do you see at earth level ?
It says :

17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Get out a dictionary and look up the word " Clouds " :)
 
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When my wife and I lived in the mountains of our state, we saw it many times..

LOL , but that is certainly not the norm , notice that God descended to the mountain top to meet Moses , Then went back up to heaven ;)
while the rest of the people were at Ground level and thought Moses would not return to them
 
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LOL , but that is certainly not the norm , notice that God descended to the mountain top to meet Moses , Then went back up to heaven ;)
while the rest of the people were at Ground level and thought Moses would not return to them

"Ground level" is relative to a person's height above sea level.

If you are hiking in the mountains ground level is much higher than when you are at the beach.

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