John Paul Jackson

[JWNEWMAN]

John Paul Jackson, is this guy a prophet? I saw him a program the other day revealing prophetic dreams. And I've read he is an accurate prophet, yet, haven't been able to locate any of his previously stated prophecies to examine their accuracy.

Also, I do have an issue with selling prophecies. I can't imagine Jesus, or, the apostles publishing and selling prophecies. Of course if they shared the prophecies in depth to the churches and sold the book, I suppose that would be ethical. Perhaps JPJ is doing that.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

John Paul Jackson?s ?Perfect Storm? prophecy

Apparently JPJ has given a word on this matter freely on the internet. Above is the address.

 

[ditte]

I heard some of his teachings and prophecies.He seemed to be an honest man.Of course we should look out.He seemed a good christian to me.There are some videos on youtube.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I heard some of his teachings and prophecies.He seemed to be an honest man.Of course we should look out.He seemed a good christian to me.There are some videos on youtube.

I've looked up lists on prophecies by many popular Christian personalities. So far, I've not found one with an accurate history. If there are any I've missed them.

Let me know if you find a list of his predictions anywhere except for the current ones.

I enjoyed listening to him but, enjoyed listening to others who turned out to be wrong.

PEACE
JWN

 

[GaryP]

This guy is peering into the future, not focusing on the Father, Jesus is our redeemer,
The Act of the Father and the Act of Jesus are Finished. The Father does not lift His
Hand away from these Acts. The United States is of creation and not of the Father.

 

[gracechick]

I've contemplated this off and on for years. I know the prophet to be considered of God should be accurate ect. But even in the Bible prophecies sometimes were given decades, centuries and even millenia ahead of time while other word was instantaneous.

I know for myself when I've received something after getting the symbols and message more clear knowing the time frame is almost always more difficult. So how do we decipher future events that are foretold by the Perfect Lord to imperfect and fallable humans?

So how would we judge future messages, but of course if they are date setting and making x claims for x days that is a whole nother topic altogether. Sorry people I've been rambling here while I'm trying to gather my own thoughts.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I've contemplated this off and on for years. I know the prophet to be considered of God should be accurate ect. But even in the Bible prophecies sometimes were given decades, centuries and even millenia ahead of time while other word was instantaneous.

I know for myself when I've received something after getting the symbols and message more clear knowing the time frame is almost always more difficult. So how do we decipher future events that are foretold by the Perfect Lord to imperfect and fallable humans?

So how would we judge future messages, but of course if they are date setting and making x claims for x days that is a whole nother topic altogether. Sorry people I've been rambling here while I'm trying to gather my own thoughts.

JPJ has given a time period for events he's predicting: 10 years. Also, some of his dreams he describes not as prophetic, in that they will come to pass he says they may and suggests we need to pray about them. Others he says will come to pass and claims certain things to be absolute.

What I'm looking for from him is, documentation regarding his previous predictions so I can assess his accuracy.

For instance I'm not convinced I'm a prophet. However, I've definitely had prophetic dreams that have come to pass. I've had some dreams, I believe were confirmed to me to be from God. Yet, that's what I believe I'm not asking anyone else to believe it. God hasn't said to me "tell my people" or "thus saith the Lord."

I've posted some dream here that I've stated I believe are from God, and, some I believe may be prophetic. Time will tell, and, hopefully my level of understanding and discernment will also. If I ever reach a point where I can say "thus saith the Lord" then I put other people at risk by making predictions openly. And it would be important for my past record of predictions to be transparent.

Also when claiming healings actual validation is important. I've seen many healings but can only validate one. God did that one in a hospital in front of doctor's, nurses and family members. So if God were ever to call me to a healing ministry I would, ask people to come with validated medical conditions, and, return to their doctors and validate the healing. Just as Jesus told some to show themselves to the priests. But then I'd make those documents public and that's how it should be done to prove your not just scamming people who have otherwise lost hope and are desperate.

The church should demand such transparency to keep our house in order.

 

[heron]

It's funny that you have 222 views on this post, and only a few responses. (-;

Hello out there! Yes, you.


Jackson has spoken at our church before, and he is a normal, devoted man who believes God wants him in this ministry. I do not agree with everything he says, but you know me -- I never agree with everything anyone says.

It is our responsibility to disagree when we need to. It is also our scriptural responsibility to encourage prophecy. We are all called to hear from God, and to share what God has given us to edify the Body of Christ, the fellowship.

We are warned not to flock to prophets to hear what we want to hear. That doesn't mean books and tapes are wrong... they are just forms of communicating more broadly. But we should be careful about looking to prophets to find out what God is saying, because He dwells in us!

Why depend on the middle man.

The church should demand such transparency to keep our house in order.

(-:

 

[heron]

An extra note -- these Morningstar-affiliated ministers come from a background where everyone prophesies and exercises the gifts in a normal Sunday service. They pray over what they hear. Where it is commonplace, it is a lot less "thus saith."

Even though he posts his prophecies, I think he acts as a coordinator more than a Grand Poo-bah of God's intent. God speaks to everyone, and he knows that.

I don't go to the site often -- I find similar messages in people's dreams here, and prefer to know that God speaks to and through every one of us, even when we don't quite believe it. Grassroots ministry is so much more interesting. It is the same God communicating with us, through us, dwelling where we gather.

He is amazing. (God)

 

[Standing Up]

It is confusion between the role of an OT prophet and NT prophet.

Peter made this contrast:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

OT prophet--true ones and false ones
NT teacher--true ones and false ones

This is the reason NT teachers will be judged more severly; they are in effect 'speaking for God', just as the OT prophet did. One better get it right (James 3:1)

The NT teacher "replaces" the OT prophet.

So what does the NT prophet do?

1 Cor. 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

Brief definitions:

Edification-build up
Exhort-encourage
Console-comfort

So where does John Paul Jackson fit? An OT prophet in NT clothes? A fortune-teller? A NT teacher? A NT prophet?

It's not just him, but many others. But it's not surprising to find that their "prophecies" are hit-and-miss.

I'd also say that dreams and visions from God either for you or for the Body would fall into those three categories to edify, encourage, and console.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

 

[Standing Up]

"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

That's right. Dreams and visions. To what end?

1 Cor. 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

For the Body of Christ of which we are brothers and sisters.

But does one say, "thus sayeth the LORD" (aside from apostles/eyewitness) in the NT church?

Does John Paul Jackson? Do you? You said you didn't. I don't. Joseph Smith said he did; shall we become Mormon? If not, why not?

If he says that, then he better be right, or has he spoke presumptiously? Is he a mere fortune teller, palm reader? You said he charges for prophecy. Flee, lest the building collapse (thus spoke Apostle John and Bishop Polycarp some 2000 years ago).

 

[JWNEWMAN]

That's right. Dreams and visions. To what end?

1 Cor. 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

For the Body of Christ of which we are brothers and sisters.

But does one say, "thus sayeth the LORD" (aside from apostles/eyewitness) in the NT church?

Does John Paul Jackson? Do you? You said you didn't. I don't. Joseph Smith said he did; shall we become Mormon? If not, why not?

If he says that, then he better be right, or has he spoke presumptiously? Is he a mere fortune teller, palm reader? You said he charges for prophecy. Flee, lest the building collapse (thus spoke Apostle John and Bishop Polycarp some 2000 years ago).

I have said on occasion a word directly from the Lord. However, never to the world at large. I only ever had one dream of world events that, I was absolutely certain was from God immediately, about world events; and that was regarding the first war with Iraq.

I'm certain for myself that my dreams about Obama are correct. However, lack the courage or conviction to say "thus says the Lord." I wish I would get such a mandate, I'd feel "in the loop" so to speak. However, I've never received an impression to say something of that nature. I can't imagine a prophet would not know he/she was a prophet. Therefor since I don't know I am, I have to conclude I'm not called to be one. Not in the larger sense. In spite of my desire to be one.

There are few things so satisfying spiritually speaking as to have the Holy Spirit speak through you directly. At least in my experience. Definitely a confidence booster and perhaps a glimpse of the heavenly experience. It's rather a selfish ambition.

The only draw back I see in it is, a person who did speak "thus says the Lord," with repeated accuracy would gain much notoriety. If I had such a gift I'd definitely use a pseudonym, wear a disguise and upload to youtube from anonymous locations.

Notoriety is to great a price to pay in this day and age I think. Talk about the end of privacy.

I'm going to study and see if I can find out beginning at the apostles time period till current day if, there have been notable accurate church prophets throughout history.

 

[Standing Up]

I'd suggest also looking at the gifts of the Spirit, like knowledge or wisdom (Cor. 12). The gifts are valid, but the 'office of OT prophet' is closed.

The distinction I'm trying to draw per Peter is one between the OT prophet speaking 'for God' as to make doctrine or direction and 'speaking for God' this is what He said in scripture through His Son. False prophet and false teacher or true prophet and true teacher.

I'd agree with the taste of heaven experience, but the 'repeated accuracy' is the key. An OT prophet would be stoned for lacking accuracy. Today we simply look the other way, instead of simply saying, the guy is trying to be something that doesn't exist in the NT church. Or again, why not become Mormon whose leader claimed to be a prophet complete with 'thus sayeth the LORD' and supposedly lots of accurate predictions.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Mitar Tarabich, Serbian Prophet : Various Multicultural Prophecies (Morgana's Observatory)

Above is a very interesting read. I have to see if I can validate the authenticity of this persons life and writings.

 

[heron]

If I had such a gift I'd definitely use a pseudonym, wear a disguise and upload to youtube from anonymous locations.

Notoriety is to great a price to pay in this day and age I think. Talk about the end of privacy.

So true!

I do see that God speaks through you, and you are very cautious in making these assumptions. It is refreshing, and makes me want to read your dreams more than sanctioned prophecies.

In the Garden of Eden, God didn't need prophecies. Communication went back and forth, with no grande edicts and revelations. I think that was God's ideal for us -- just staying in communication. If we do that, we don't need our shoulders shaken.

I'm going to study and see if I can find out beginning at the apostles time period till current day if, there have been notable accurate church prophets throughout history.

Great idea. Share some of it with us.

Thank you for posting the Kremna prophecy -- that happens to be useful to me and I see much of it valid, including regional mentions. Wiki breaks it down into divisions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_from_Kremna

 

[heron]

Didn't see your video link for Jackson until now.

Watching it now... seemed normal until he said the state of "Illinoize" (-;

 

[JWNEWMAN]

heron,

Appreciate the kind words! Good way to start a day, with a compliment. Deserved or not!

Great idea. Share some of it with us.

Please, do the same. You seem to be quite the detective with some of the things you uncover.

 

[gracechick]

Interesting link. It is often seems difficult to me to know for certain the authenticity of such writings. I see members in C & E discuss the origin of the last Pope prophecies on occassion.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Interesting link. It is often seems difficult to me to know for certain the authenticity of such writings. I see members in C & E discuss the origin of the last Pope prophecies on occassion.

Especially in today's climate where you hear politician so blatantly repeatedly lying day after day and news organizations backing up propaganda and ignoring big news that doesn't push their political agenda.

Double check everything. Always a good policy.