John Paul Jackson

[heron]

quite the detective

..Said the man who found an 1800's prophecy from a Balkan town of 700 residents.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

quite the detective

..Said the man who found an 1800's prophecy from a Balkan town of 700 residents.

700? My sources must be off. My intell was 713. Better, double check, again!

 

[gracechick]

 

[heron]

700? My sources must be off. My intell was 713. Better, double check, again!


I was using old numbers. My bad. (-;

 

[heron]

I looked into the Kremna prophecy a little more, and it seems to be calmly recognized in tourism and literature... a musical composition was named after it.

But all these publicly-recognized prophecies tend to put far too much emphasis on the person and the prophecy, and not the continued recognition that it was GOD who knew what He was talking about, not the man.

The prophets themselves rarely take credit for knowing the information. They saw themselves as conduits-- just as we are earthen vessels, bodies of clay with the presence of God dwelling in us.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I looked into the Kremna prophecy a little more, and it seems to be calmly recognized in tourism and literature... a musical composition was named after it.

But all these publicly-recognized prophecies tend to put far too much emphasis on the person and the prophecy, and not the continued recognition that it was GOD who knew what He was talking about, not the man.

The prophets themselves rarely take credit for knowing the information. They saw themselves as conduits-- just as we are earthen vessels, bodies of clay with the presence of God dwelling in us.

It's mostly a stage show here in America. It's all glossed over.

 

[tturt]

Listening to the Perfect Storm - so many events have happened or in the process now.

Said Russia would attack Ukraine. It would be to drive oil prices up because of their failing economy.

In 2008?, he also prophesied a "pandermic"

There's preparingfortheperfectstorm website

 

[Hidden In Him]

Listening to the Perfect Storm - so many events have happened or in the process now.

Said Russia would attack Ukraine. It would be to drive oil prices up because of their failing economy.

In 2008?, he also prophesied a "pandermic"

There's preparingfortheperfectstorm website

That's correct, sister.

He was accurate even in his own time, though there were always people willing to criticize and condemn regardless. Operating in the prophetic is not fun regarding what one has to endure.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It is confusion between the role of an OT prophet and NT prophet.

Peter made this contrast:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

OT prophet--true ones and false ones
NT teacher--true ones and false ones

This is the reason NT teachers will be judged more severly; they are in effect 'speaking for God', just as the OT prophet did. One better get it right (James 3:1)

The NT teacher "replaces" the OT prophet.

So what does the NT prophet do?

1 Cor. 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

Brief definitions:

Edification-build up
Exhort-encourage
Console-comfort

So where does John Paul Jackson fit? An OT prophet in NT clothes? A fortune-teller? A NT teacher? A NT prophet?

It's not just him, but many others. But it's not surprising to find that their "prophecies" are hit-and-miss.

I'd also say that dreams and visions from God either for you or for the Body would fall into those three categories to edify, encourage, and console.

I was on a site where a Board Registered defence lawyer was commenting on a case he was reviewing. He made this interesting comment. He said, "If a witness says just one lie during his testimony, then it is all lies."

I then thought about Youtube prophets, and saw that they all were saying that God was giving them the word, but the prophecy said either nothing or was so off beam Scripture wise that it seemed that the prophet was actually lying. Putting the lawyer's comment into the prophecies, I could see that if a self-styled prophet gave one inaccurate prophecy, then all of his prophecies are suspect. This is because God makes no mistakes, and He does not lie. Therefore if a prophet's prophecies either don't come to pass, or is full of buzz words, or is contrary to Scripture then the prophet himself has to be dodgy. This is because a good tree does not bear bad fruit. Therefore, a good prophet is proved by giving consistent good prophecies without even one dodgy one. Therefore, one dodgy prophecy makes all of them dodgy.

Now, if we examine the prophecies of John Paul Jackson and find some of his prophecies seem kosher, but others are suspect, then the question is, are all his prophecies suspect? In the same way, if some of his teaching seem sound, but other teaching deals with suspect dream interpretation and time travel, does that mean that all his teaching is corrupted?

Here is a question: Would you trust your life with an airline pilot who crashes an aircraft every once in a while? I leave that up to you.

 

[tturt]

This forum is for those who believe in the manifestation of the spiritual gifts.

Since a personal decision was made that the prophetic words that were given must not have been from the Lord unless it was just Scripture, haven't seen a post in years - ok in a very long time that wasn't basically criticizing. Just relentless. No matter who it is or in general.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

This forum is for those who believe in the manifestation of the spiritual gifts.

Since a personal decision was made that the prophetic words that were given must not have been from the Lord unless it was just Scripture, haven't seen a post in years - ok in a very long time that wasn't basically criticizing. Just relentless. No matter who it is or in general.

I guess that's directed at me...
I do certainly believe in the manifestation of the Spiritual gifts. My previous posts over the years show ample evidence of this.

But does this mean that we should accept every claim of spiritual gifts even though they clear show that particular manifestations and prophecies are false? Sure people who desire to manifest spiritual gifts need to know that they are manifesting from the Holy Spirit and not another spirit?

It seems to be quite naïve to accept every manifestation and prophecy as being genuine even when it is quite clear that they are not.

I assure you that no genuine prophecies have been harmed in any of my comments about the prophetic.

 

[tturt]

I assure you that a continuous concern is those who may take your constant, critical comments as the norm or position of all the believers who actually believe in the manifestation of the spiritual gifts on this forum.

There's more in Scripture than the false prophets verses.