John McCain pro/con

[Caissie]

It looks like it might be a race between John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Bye Bye 2nd Amendment!
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

 

[Harpuia]

It looks like it might be a race between John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Bye Bye 2nd Amendment!
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

Would McCain/Obama, Romney/Obama, Romney/Clinton, Huckabee/Clinton or Huckabee/Obama be any better?

 

[Caissie]

Would McCain/Obama, Romney/Obama, Romney/Clinton, Huckabee/Clinton or Huckabee/Obama be any better?

Huckabee is not as anti-gun as McCain is. Ron Paul is the only one that has a perfect record when it comes to defending the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

Huckabee is not as anti-gun as McCain is. Ron Paul is the only one that has a perfect record when it comes to defending the 2nd Amendment.

McCain is anti-1st too

 

[xapis]

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=933

 

[DieHappy]

I can't stand the thought of Hillary's shrillness or Obama promising the world to everyone (no, we totally won't end with 25% unemployment by taking away the incentive to work, trust me) so McCain has my vote in November. I won't vote for someone who has the best chance in the primary, I vote for the best choice. But McCain will be the best choice in November. Obama/Clinton, maybe McKinney for the greens, and some no name dope smoker for the libertarians. I can't stay home and watch the queen get elected and nominate the type of judges that she'd be sure to nominate. No way.

 

[NeTrips]

Why should conservatives be more loyal to the Republican party than McCain has been?

 

[DieHappy]

Because he'll be the best choice on the ticket in november. Because Hillary and Obama don't think we're subservient enough to the UN, or that we're socialistic enough with a big enough government. They are clearly worse options.

If Fred or Paul or Keyes or Hunter or some combination of those decided to run independent, I'd vote for them because, even if they had no chance, they'd be the best choice.

But I can't endorse staying home. I can see it from the other point of view. Let obama use his booster seat in the big chair and censure all of our friends and invite all of our enemies over for tea and crumpets, raise the maximum tax rate to 100% and coordinate a billion dollar study to see why we can't raise the tax rates even higher, play patty cake with muslims all over the world and pretend they're not murdering christians and after 4 years the message of big government will be a glaring failure while the republicans have a chance to regroup and actually talk about conservatism. I said in a different thread that I see this being 76 again and after double digit inflation and gas lines thanks to big government we could be in a position to elect another standard bearer for conservatism. But I don't see who played goldwater last cycle and who's playing Reagan this cycle. Will Fred's popularity increase over the next 4 years so he can take 2012 by storm?

I doubt it, and I'm not willing to risk it by letting the democrats win.

 

[Caissie]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Well I do not know much about McCain, but I feel that I can trust him on national security. He has really had a lot of dealings with the national security issues for the last twenty some years. I see Obama and Clinton as people who would pull out of Iraq totally, is that a good idea or a bad idea? It looks like General Patreus has finally done the job right, and calmed the whole country down. That is amazing, maybe we should stick around and build american schools for the muslims?

 

[tforfreedom]

Did anyone here not see John McCain making a JOKE out of the war in the middle east? He was singing "bomb, bomb, bomb-bomb-bomb Iran" while thousands of civilians and American soldiers are dieing (youtube bomb iran if you don't believe me). And earlier he's said we'd stay in Iraq for over 100 years if necessary [fighting this unconstitutional, undeclared war mind you].

How can a Christian support this man? He's worse than George Bush! George Bush at least said the right things in the beginning-although he in no wise follows those things. McCain is immaturely making a joke out of death and war.

-- Alright not all of you are Christian. This is more than a Christian issue. It's an issue on foreign policy and fighting in an unprovoked war without a congressional declaration of war.

 

[NeTrips]

yawn

 

[mccarty]

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[Carey]

George Bush is under the strongest rebuke one could ever be right now as is evident, that is if the 80 million Evangelicals having voted for Bush in the last two elections upon a self centered motive (Haggai 2) that displayed a hint of self righteousness in that very motive itself have accepted the given reality at this point. To those people exclusively, speaking here of the Evangelicals choosing to define what it means to be a Christian w/in the spectrum of politics, to all of those I would sugges that you better watch your mouth from the standpoint of summarizing your selfish viewpoint in this matter and demanding that all others adhere to it, that being your OWN IDEOLOGY.

If the day comes whereby Obama or Hillary are elected and a movement takes place in our country to target Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians in terms of monitoring and/or possible confinement/arrest, you will have asked for it for the following reason-

Jesus and Paul NEVER advocated for social reform and/or becoming involved in politics. Had Jesus wanted to overthrow the powers that be and/or gov't He could have done so at the snap of His fingers (The Roman Empire in that day was quite similar to the American power here in the present), but He nor the disciples or the Apostle Paul advocated for any such ideology similar to that by which Dobson and others endorse in the sense of POLITICALLY DEFINING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CHRISTIAN. Shame on you, Dr. Dobson and all other hypocrites.

Christianity is a PERSONAL, REAL LIFE journey about Faith in Jesus, nothing more, nothing less. It was intended to be a real life experience FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE HEART-that involving just as many issues that the Democrats stand for as the Republicans do.

In the end, however, both parties fail miserably at any true representation of the Christian faith itself, this should be common sense.

If, however, there were any of my own brothers or sisters in Christ that choose to define for the entire population as a whole what it means to be a Christian WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ITSELF, there could never be a larger fool as far as I'm concerned. At this point, I can only pray that the religious right/Evangelical camp as a whole has learned their lesson concering such.

To those I'm specifically addressing here, I highly suggest that you take your opinions and viewpoints TO THE CHURCH, WHERE IT BELONGS, WHERE THE CALL WAS MADE.

Dont you realize bombimg Iran is both on the agenda of the NWO as well as prophecied??

 

[mccarty]

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[Carey]

There is no mention of of Iran in the Bible front to cover because it didn't exist at the time and thus your beliefs are heresay. Anything you believe personally about that is YOUR OWN OPINION.

I can make every bit as strong of an argument that our own America itself is the Babylon described in the book of Revelations-you won't find a shirt in your closet that doesn't have the label of a 3rd world country on its tags where women and little children are paid 10 cents an hour by our standards to produce clothing and tennis shoes for Nike.

Today's Americans, all of us, are the most spoiled flock in the entire world, all too often praising oursevles in the name of American pride because we "Stand for liberty," but our path to having achieved that goal has been nothing but "Sneaky," and that's a major understatement.

Such commentary by all means does not mean I support Muslim savages like we find throughout the Middle East, but it is to show that based ON THE CHRISTIAN FAITH ITSELF AS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE, there are few Christians left in our modern age that represent the true call to humility AND TOTAL DISINVOLVEMENT that Jesus and Paul called for IN THESE SPECIFIC AREAS other than the select few Christian missionaries, pastors and volunteers at orphanages, what have you, that couldn't give a damn about politics, George Bush or Bill Clinton, their only goal being to spread forth the Gospels THE WAY THEY WERE MEANT TO BE PORTRAYED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BIBLICAL MESSAGE ITSELF.

I've failed at all of these areas personally myself, I have to underscore that. At the same time, I freely invite God Himself to damn me to hell for all of eternity if my afterlife is going to involve handshakes and sharing company with the elitist Christian right segment and its leaders like Dobson and Robertson who are driven by pride and ego, the authoritarian mindset.

From the standpoint of Iran's involvement in all of this, I simply don't give a damn about any of that anymore. I could careless.

We have enough technological capacity to protect our own borders if we were to just use it the right way, and as far I'm concerned that's all we should be concerned about. Keep them out of our own country, and that's all I care about.

We're never going to establish an effective democracy in the Middle East because the savages living over there won't ever allow it. I'd invite you to read the Pentateuch itself once (The same Biblical beginning the Muslims attest to) and see how long you'd be able to maintain your own sanity if God demanded that you lived out the remaining years of your life under the Law. You'd go batshit nuts within days or weeks, I guarentee it.

Unfortunately, the Jews and Muslims still attempt to adhere to such, and that's the main reason we've had these wars over the past 2000 years.

It never would have had to be that way if the entire world had accepted God's gift in having sent forth His only Son from the heart.

You missed the point.

Iranians call themselves persian today.

The Bible called Iran persia when it was written.

The point is you are right democracy will never be in the Middle east.

The NWO will eventually be ran by a single leader who will become a world dictator. This world woll include what is left of the middle east. But much of the middle east will be unihabitable because of a limited Nuclear war .

 

[mccarty]

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[Carey]

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Carey, I wholeheartedly respect your opinions concernign this topic. Again, however, your beliefs
are every bit as much heresay as the next person's unless you claim Divine Intervention as the
EXCLUSIVE source behind your beliefs.

If you've learned what you believe based on a minister or study course, however, there would be
the requirement to weigh your opinions quite heavily against those of others for the simple fact
those like yourself might be prepared to define for everyone else "What is," when the simple reality
of it all is that Iran is not mentioned in the Bible.

Anything beyond that is based on personal conviction, but that doesn't mean you're right, it
doesn't mean I'm right, it doesn't mean our neighbor in China or Germany is right.

Nobody knows the end story other than God Himself. So long as EACH OF US understand that basic,
childlike premise, I suspect this would have gone on a lot more peacefully and respectfully then it
has over the course of the past 2000 years.

That is because God knew how mankind would act.

This was all predicted about the last 8000 or so years.

Here is some future for you.

Revelations 13 : 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Luke 21 : 7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?"

8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."
10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. 12"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you.
and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13This will result in your being witnesses to them. 14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

 

[Caissie]

Can anyone tell me why and how John McCain became front runner? He was super low in the polls for several months. He raised very little money. He had virtually no grassroots support. Between the Iowa caucus and the NH primaries, he did not cure cancer or say anything super inspiring in any debate. He was slammed hard by Ron Paul for his lack of knowledge on the economy. What made him a nobody to a front runner in less than 1 month?

 

[Carey]

Can anyone tell me why and how John McCain became front runner? He was super low in the polls for several months. He raised very little money. He had virtually no grassroots support. Between the Iowa caucus and the NH primaries, he did not cure cancer or say anything super inspiring in any debate. He was slammed hard by Ron Paul for his lack of knowledge on the economy. What made him a nobody to a front runner in less than 1 month?

Because I predicted it?>>>>LOL

I give you another prediction. Even though Obama is winning in the polls Hillary is gonna get the demoncrat nomination too.