John 8:58 - "Before Abraham was, I am"

[Jonathan95]

[size=+1]Hi Jonathan95: NOWHERE did I suggest that Yeshua is a devil. The scapegoat was not sacrificed but rather set free into the wilderness and therefore neither was its blood used in any ceremony. Are you then suggesting, (by your assumptions concerning my comments) that Yeshua is your scapegoat for your sins? Nothing could be further from the truth if that is what you have been taught. Please read more carefully. [/size]

I didn't say he was a scapegoat neither do I believe that.

 

[Gettingtalents]

Hello all,

Let's really watch how we treat one another. I seriously doubt any of the people who are currently posting in these threads are posting things that they don't honestly believe. They believe that they are right.... We believe that we are right. An honest discussion done with love and gentleness is more fruitful than fighting each other and saying things to offend the people we are talking to. Let's stop thinking of each other as enemies and approach each other as brothers. If we did agree on one subject, there would be others we would disagree on still... We can't wait untill we agree on everything to love one another.

Sometimes a point made may take a while to be appreciated by those who read it. Initially, they may reject it, but that doesn't mean they always will. Don't let it frustrate you. Also, let's take time to really consider what those who disagree with us are saying.

"Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom." (James 3:13)
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Your brother in Christ,
Jason

 

[Jonathan95]

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[2ducklow]

[SIZE=+1]That is the point: 'theos' has more than one single restrictive 'boxed-in' meaning by the ways in which it is employed through the Scripture. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1] you said Jesus is diety. what does the english word deity mean? you didn't say Jesus is theos, you said Jesus is deity, why do you refuse to define your term?[/SIZE]

And if we do not worship 'the messengers' then we should not have a problem because although Yeshua is stated to be deity

 

[2ducklow]

[SIZE=+1]. Perhaps the point may be better understood by way of spirit-breath-wind: Ruwach-Pneuma [Spirit] are both in Hebrew, and in Greek, the equivalents of spirit-breath-wind-breeze and therefore Spoken Word. I do not myself believe that man is a 'tripartite' being as most modern theology now teaches, (because it cannot be proven with Scripture unless one twists the meaning of 'nshamah' in Genesis 2:7). Thus man does have 'spirit' yet that spirit can be transient in its nature like breath, wind, or breeze. The spirit of a created man is nothing more than the so-called 'air about him' in terms of entity. The life entity of a man is the living nephesh-soul, which resides in the blood, according to the Scripture. However, Yeshua is different than created man because he is the Spirit which quickens; the life-giving quickening-Spirit of Life:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]47. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]We are all offspring of the Creator because he SPOKE and it was so, (see Acts 14:22-28). However, the Word which the Father spoke in the beginning is Yeshua the Word. Therefore Yeshua is indeed divine-deity Spirit, (entity) which did from the beginning proceed from the side of the Father as the Scripture states.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1] So what you're saying is God spoke Jesus the word, and Jesus is divine-deity Spirit , but not God. I assume your belief is that God who spoke Jesus word into divine-deity Spirit is God. So you have God who is God, and Jesus who is divine-deity Spirit. Is God divine-deity Spirit? God isn't divine-deity Spirit but Jesus is right?[/SIZE]
never heard this stuff before.

[SIZE=+1]Mankind is also created in the image of 'Elohiym, as the Scripture states; yet we are not said to be created with ruwach-Spirit in the beginning. This then implies that spirit is something 'acquired' along the way; for the good, or for the evil, as in the 'prince of the power of the air' or 'old man sin nature' which all true believers previously served according to the Scripture. Mankind in the beginning were not created except as earthen vessels containing chay-nephesh, (a living soul) formed of the dust of the 'adamah-soil. Therefore anyone claiming to have the Spirit of Christ will have THE SCRIPTURE because it is the Spirit-Breath-Wind of Christ; both spotless, and without blemish. And the only way for one to have the Spirit-Breath-Wind of Christ in them is to consume the holy-deity-manna-Word which came down from heaven; (was sent from the Father) and the holy-deity-manna-Word which came down from heaven clearly states the following:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]''The true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth!''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]And ~ ''I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Therefore the Head of the Body clearly tells the Congregation to worship the Father.[/SIZE]

Very strange thinking you have, at least to me it is. I'd have to study it for hours and hours before i'd be able to mentally absorb it. because it is such disjointed thinking to me. very unnatural thought processes. very hard to follow your train of thought or how it relates to how Jesus is or isn't god. Honestly, you have to be the only one who ever has or ever will believe this stuff you wrote above.

 

[daq]

Very strange thinking you have, at least to me it is. I'd have to study it for hours and hours before i'd be able to mentally absorb it. because it is such disjointed thinking to me. very unnatural thought processes. very hard to follow your train of thought or how it relates to how Jesus is or isn't god. Honestly, you have to be the only one who ever has or ever will believe this stuff you wrote above.

[SIZE=+1]Interesting; it rather makes perfect sense to me, according to the Scripture, that there should at the first be a 'third part' of every man, (the 'old man' sin nature and 'unclean spirit') which needs to be cast out or removed: For a man does not acquire that 'spirit of the world' from the Creator at physical birth but rather acquires 'him' somewhere along the way. And that one is the same 'prince of the power of the air' whom all true believers formerly served before we came to Christ Yeshua:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Ephesians 2:1-3 KJV[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Yet, once again, since this is off topic and this thread does not concern the argument over whether man is 'tripartite vs bipartite' I will gladly end my comments here with the Scripture quoted above. Sincerely hope you find your answers.[/SIZE]

 

[he-man]

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Joh 17:5 και νυν δοξασον με συ πατερ παρα σεαυτω τη δοξη η ειχον προ του τον κοσμον ειναι παρα σοι
John 17:5 and now, you shall glorify me Father, from yourself, of the glory to be, to carry in front of the world from you.

17:1 Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[sonhador]

He knows himself as Adam.