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Toro · Nov 8, 2020

Circumstantial, but only adds to the need to make sure every vote on BOTH sides is a legitimate one in swing states. Unless orange man bad is more important to you than truth.

Not because it proves fraud, but shows the system is flawed at the very least..... we must count every vote... right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...d7fe3e-6464-11e4-ab86-46000e1d0035_video.html

Liam Hayden · Nov 8, 2020

hedrick said:
It doesn’t matter even if it’s true. They are only counting ballots actually received by the deadline.

Not quite. Specifically this:

"The U.S. Supreme Court said Monday that election officials in Pennsylvania can count absentee ballots received as late as the Friday after Election Day so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3."

Supreme Court Rules Pennsylvania Can Count Ballots Received After Election Day

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

Liam Hayden said:
Not quite. Specifically this:

"The U.S. Supreme Court said Monday that election officials in Pennsylvania can count absentee ballots received as late as the Friday after Election Day so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3."

Supreme Court Rules Pennsylvania Can Count Ballots Received After Election Day

I would say that makes ALL the difference on why a fraudster would want to back date the postmark on ballots to Nov 3. Let the investigation be done, and let the courts speak on the matter. What a tangled web to sort out now, if those backdated ballots have by any means been mixed up with the actual Nov 3 ballots.

To make matters worse, there are reports (videos as well) of poll watchers excluded from polling places. So now there is secrecy on what is going on in there by the people handling the election.
Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

pescador · Nov 8, 2020

SimpleLiving2019 said:
The question is going to be, what is actually included in the count that shows Biden winning, perhaps they are including some of those counts in that number we are getting on the TV screen. This certainly needs to be looked into, it is showing election fraud, and where there is smoke there is fire. Back dated ballots would also open up the door to slip them in with proper ballots for a recount, if there was further election fraud with the people handling the ballots on the other end, not keeping them properly separated.

And my understanding is that by Pennsylvania law, proper ballots have to be postmarked by 8pm Nov 3, not Nov 5. This will probably be one of the issues fought out in the courts, and can certainly matter depending on which way it goes.

And also, bear in mind, the reason I even posted the issue is that there seemed to be some debate on if there was any evidence of election fraud, the affidavit is evidence, so there is, how far, how extensive, or if it will make a difference is another matter.

No, it's not another matter. You are posting an unverified accusation implying cheating on the votes; it is not evidence. Cheating on an election is not a trivial matter.

pescador · Nov 8, 2020

SimpleLiving2019 said:
I would say that makes ALL the difference on why a fraudster would want to back date the postmark on ballots to Nov 3. Let the investigation be done, and let the courts speak on the matter. What a tangled web to sort out now, if those backdated ballots have by any means been mixed up with the actual Nov 3 ballots.

To make matters worse, there are reports (videos as well) of poll watchers excluded from polling places. So now there is secrecy on what is going on in there by the people handling the election.
Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

Oh my! A conspiracy theory! Why are you posting all this stuff? It couldn't be that you have decided in your mind that Trump actually won, could it?

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

pescador said:
No, it's not another matter. You are posting an unverified accusation implying cheating on the votes; it is not evidence. Cheating on an election is not a trivial matter.

Well, the affidavit is evidence, it is a witness. It will be up to the justice system to determine what to do with it. I did post a link to the actual affidavit a few posts back so anyone can read it for themselves.

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

pescador said:
Oh my! A conspiracy theory! Why are you posting all this stuff? It couldn't be that you have decided in your mind that Trump actually won, could it?

That post doesn’t add anything meaningful to the discussion and is making things personal towards me.

Trogdor the Burninator · Nov 8, 2020

Albion said:
For several reasons, that's an invalid comparison.

Sure it is - if it's wrong for Biden and his supporters to declare that he has won, then the same applies to Trump.

pescador · Nov 8, 2020

SimpleLiving2019 said:
That post is just being contentious, doesn’t add to what I was talking about and making things personal towards me.

Your posts are contentious and deserve to be treated as such. You're posting your opinion, which I disagree with. If you can't tolerate disagreement why are you on a public forum?

pescador · Nov 8, 2020

SimpleLiving2019 said:
I would say that makes ALL the difference on why a fraudster would want to back date the postmark on ballots to Nov 3. Let the investigation be done, and let the courts speak on the matter. What a tangled web to sort out now, if those backdated ballots have by any means been mixed up with the actual Nov 3 ballots.

To make matters worse, there are reports (videos as well) of poll watchers excluded from polling places. So now there is secrecy on what is going on in there by the people handling the election.
Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

So now you add The Federalist as a credible, unbiased source? It is trivial to surf the Web to find all kinds of "reliable, unbiased" sources that report exactly what you're looking for. Anybody can do what you're doing, but it's easy to see through the purpose.

The election is over and Joe Biden is the President-elect. Deal with it!

Trogdor the Burninator · Nov 8, 2020

Interesting - all these accusations of voter fraud by Democrats when an actual attempt by armed men to disrupt vote counting was, of course, carried out by Trump supporters.

Then of course there's Trump himself, who attempted to fraudulently register in Florida

And Republicans well documented attempts to get voters taken off the rolls in crucial swing states

But of course Trump supporters don't want to talk about that....

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

pescador said:
Your posts are contentious and deserve to be treated as such. You're posting your opinion, which I disagree with. If you can't tolerate disagreement why are you on a public forum?

I can tolerate disagreements, that’s why I am here. Calling out a post that doesn’t add to the discussion points, but rather just starts making things personal against me isn’t not tolerating anything, just pointing it out. Starts to get into ad hominem territory. Say on what you will though, but I probably won’t engage you again on this thread.

Ramon1 · Nov 8, 2020

All these disagreements among us remind of "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Now, Jesus was speaking of the house of Satan, but here we all are fighting amongst ourselves. I'm not judging; it's just an observation.

pescador · Nov 8, 2020

Here is the definitive report:

Ding-dong, the jerk is gone. But read this before you sing the Hallelujah Chorus | Thomas Frank

Ramon1 · Nov 8, 2020

Trogdor the Burninator said:
But of course Trump supporters don't want to talk about that....

This sounds like a bunch of propaganda. Who's spreading this? What about all the stuff Biden does? He is a plagiarizer. It's pretty pathetic.

pescador said:
A conspiracy theory!

It may be. But is it any worse than so called news that's reported by CNN everyday? ("Trump has 2 diseases because he had difficulty walking down some stairs")~this is the kind of stuff CNN and liberal media tout.

Fox news lies, but compared to CNN, they're saints.

parousia70 · Nov 8, 2020

pescador said:
Evidence is totally unnecessary?

Apparently not in this thread....

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

Ramon1 said:
All these disagreements among us remind of "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Now, Jesus was speaking of the house of Satan, but here we all are fighting amongst ourselves. I'm not judging; it's just an observation.

Yes, yes. True enough, a house divided cannot stand. Ultimately, Jesus’ Kingdom is going to stand though in the end, because God is going to do some dividing, between those on the right, and those on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

After he divides there, no more division, until then there are sheep and goats. Good reason for us to all examine our ways to make sure we are on that right hand side in that division.

parousia70 · Nov 8, 2020

SimpleLiving2019 said:
Apparently a Pennsylvania postal worker has signed an affidavit that his post office was back dating mail in ballots. I read his affidavit. Here is an article speaking on it:
Pennsylvania postal worker goes PUBLIC with allegations in Project Veritas report that postmaster ordered backdating of ballots

On another note...using the USPS for any illegal activities has always been a bad idea and opens up jurisdiction for the FBI immediately.

Inconsistencies in that article make it highly suspect… First it says Pennsylvania state law requires ballots must be “postmarked by the third” to be accepted.... then later, the complaint is that they were backdated to show they were “received by the third” so they would be accepted, But Pennsylvania state law has no such requirement.

The whistleblowers are clearly all over the map on this one and don’t even know which way is up or what they should be complaining about...

Trogdor the Burninator · Nov 8, 2020

Ramon1 said:
This sounds like a bunch of propaganda. Who's spreading this? What about all the stuff Biden does? He is a plagiarizer. It's pretty pathetic.

Nope - it's news. Reported on multiple sites that are easy to find. Just because something doesn't support the Trump narrative doesn't mean it's a conspiracy theory.

SimpleLiving2019 · Nov 8, 2020

parousia70 said:
Inconsistencies in that article make it highly suspect… First it says Pennsylvania state law requires ballots must be “postmarked by the third” to be accepted.... then later, the complaint is that they were backdated to show they were “received by the third” so they would be accepted, But Pennsylvania state law has no such requirement.

The whistleblowers are clearly all over the map on this one and don’t even know which way is up or what they should be complaining about...

I put up a link with the actual affidavit in a later post. The article was a lazy way for me to present the issue with a quick search, but I took some time later to link to a copy of the actually affidavit. I had read the affidavit myself yesterday.

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