Jobs trials

[ydouxist]

Do you believe Job went through what he did because of his fear?

Job 3:25 What I feared has come upon me; what I dreaded has happened to me.

I have heard some teach this and wanted to ask everyone their beliefs.

 

[jeolmstead]

Do you believe Job went through what he did because of his fear?

Job 3:25 What I feared has come upon me; what I dreaded has happened to me.

I have heard some teach this and wanted to ask everyone their beliefs.

No,

3 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

John O.

 

[dmhforJesus]

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No,

3 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

John O.

this is the same scripture that came to mind for me - I do not believe it had anything to do with his fear.

Nita

 

[Ajax 777]

Job went through what he went through in order that God could prove his faith genuine,
in the same way that many of us are seasoned with fire.

Look at what happened to Job; what about his situation is so unique
that dreading such events would seem inappropriate?
Doesn't just about everyone here also hate the idea of poverty,
dreaded diseases, and death of your children?
Job's faith was proven as genuine in that book,
and it is for this reason that people ought to find no fault with the man Job,
for God Himself found no fault with him either.

 

[ydouxist]

The NAYS have it.

 

[PETE_]

Job went through his trials to bring glory to God

Satan made terrible accusations against God by his statements against Job.

Job is shown to have some bad theology but does love God and despite satan's efforts to turn him away, Job stands firm.

Another instance of satan's boasting and getting a smackdown from God

 

[Optimax]

Yes!

 

[ydouxist]

Yes!

Yes to Pete's post?

Or Yes to "You believe Job went through what he did because of his fear"?

 

[dkbwarrior]

I'm trying to fathom such logic as I see here but am totally miffed.

Let me try an analogy. The neighborhood pedophile comes knocking at my door and requests permission to molest my daughter, and says that if I let him molest her then she will curse me to my face. I say, okay, you can molest her, just don't kill her.

So he proceeds to molest her for 40 days, and all the while she refuses to curse me her father. He comes back and says, well, let me give her aids and kill all her brothers and sisters, then she will curse you. I say, okay, you can do that too, so he proceeds to infect her with the aids virus and kills all her brothers and sisters.

And this brings glory to me as her Father?

Of course, this is not at all what the story says, but it is how it is being interpreted by many. But I hope my analogy shows just how perverted that interpretation is.

I would be happy to share a more plausible and true to the actual text interpretation with you, but I refuse to do so with those who think the above scenario is legitimate. It they do, then there is no sense in trying to reason it out scripturally.

Peace...

 

[PETE_]

Satan was making the accusation that Job only loved and glorified God for the things that God did for him.

God deserves glory and our love merely for who He is and Job stood the test

 

[ydouxist]

I'm trying to fathom such logic as I see here but am totally miffed.

Let me try an analogy. The neighborhood pedophile comes knocking at my door and requests permission to molest my daughter, and says that if I let him molest her then she will curse me to my face. I say, okay, you can molest her, just don't kill her.

So he proceeds to molest her for 40 days, and all the while she refuses to curse me her father. He comes back and says, well, let me give her aids and kill all her brothers and sisters, then she will curse you. I say, okay, you can do that too, so he proceeds to infect her with the aids virus and kills all her brothers and sisters.

And this brings glory to me as her Father?

Of course, this is not at all what the story says, but it is how it is being interpreted by many. But I hope my analogy shows just how perverted that interpretation is.

I would be happy to share a more plausible and true to the actual text interpretation with you, but I refuse to do so with those who think the above scenario is legitimate. It they do, then there is no sense in trying to reason it out scripturally.

Peace...

Yeah I guess you're right.
How could God ever be honored or glorified through
suffering, and persecution let alone martyrdom.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

Rev 2:10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Rev 2:13 I know where you live-where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city-where Satan lives.

You do know that all the Apostles except John were martyred right?


Or maybe they had not the truth
as some may teach today
If indeed this be your stand
Then you my friend should pray

 

[Daniels]

1. The Lord accepted Job.

2. The Lord delivered Job.

3. The Lord gave Job.

4. The Lord blessed Job.

Job

42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the
Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded
them: the LORD also accepted Job.
42:10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for
his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had
before.
42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and
all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread
with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him
over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man
also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
42:12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning:
for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a​

thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

Job

36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in​

prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

There were Seven tools used by satan to afflict Job with permission from the Lord.

 

[PETE_]

I know of a Father that was glorified by allowing a murderous mob to arrest, humiliate, brutally whip beyond imagination, and then kill His only Son.

 

[lilmissmontana]

not fear ... justification is the issue I see ... we can't justify ourselves ... justification belongs to the Lord

 

[Daniels]

1. Job the Sinner.

2. Job the Servant.

3. job , the intercessor.

4. Job , the Reciever.

 

[dkbwarrior]

Yeah I guess you're right.
How could God ever be honored or glorified through
suffering, and persecution let alone martyrdom.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

Rev 2:10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Rev 2:13 I know where you live-where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city-where Satan lives.

You do know that all the Apostles except John were martyred right?


Or maybe they had not the truth
as some may teach today
If indeed this be your stand
Then you my friend should pray

Apples and oranges my friend.

There is a vast difference from one laying down his life for his Lord, and the Lord turning his servant over to be tortured, raped, abused, and murdered.

Precious indedd is the life of His saints, and the blood of His martyrs. But he doesn't take our lives, we lay them down.

Remember Paul was warned twice by both a prophet and then later by seven daughters (prophetesses) that he would be bound in Jerusalem if he went. He chose to go. This is a spiritual principal.

Also look here:

33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
-Hebrews 11:33-35

Martyrdom is a freewill offering.

Peace...

 

[ydouxist]

I know of a Father that was glorified by allowing a murderous mob to arrest, humiliate, brutally whip beyond imagination, and then kill His only Son.

Oh yeah right.
Next you'll be expecting us to believe he was willing to forgive
them for it by just asking right?

 

[Always in His Presence]

I love the book of Job - one of the great stories of ultimate victory - why concentrate on how he got there - isn't it more important how he got out?

Job 42:1 Then Job answered the LORD and said: 2 “I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’
5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

And only after Job repented, what did God do?

Job 42:10 And the LORD restored Job’s losses when he prayed for his friends. Indeed the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.

11 Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all those who had been his acquaintances before, came to him and ate food with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the LORD had brought upon him. Each one gave him a piece of silver and each a ring of gold.

12 Now the LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning; for he had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, one thousand yoke of oxen, and one thousand female donkeys. 13 He also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 And he called the name of the first Jemimah, the name of the second Keziah, and the name of the third Keren-Happuch. 15 In all the land were found no women so beautiful as the daughters of Job; and their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers.
16 After this Job lived one hundred and forty years, and saw his children and grandchildren for four generations . 17 So Job died, old and full of days.


It's amazes me that the very same people are so quick to point out his sufferings, never even mention these verses -

I wonder why?

 

[ydouxist]

Apples and oranges my friend.

There is a vast difference from one laying down his life for his Lord, and the Lord turning his servant over to be tortured, raped, abused, and murdered.

Precious indedd is the life of His saints, and the blood of His martyrs. But he doesn't take our lives, we lay them down.

Remember Paul was warned twice by both a prophet and then later by seven daughters (prophetesses) that he would be bound in Jerusalem if he went. He chose to go. This is a spiritual principal.

Also look here:

33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
-Hebrews 11:33-35

Martyrdom is a freewill offering.

Peace...

Christianity is a freewill offering. Not our will but His.

Rev 2:10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

 

[Daniels]

James

5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the
patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is​

very pitiful, and of tender mercy.