JILLIONS of Creation proof!

[peschitta_enthusiast]

http://evolution-facts.org/EncyclopediaTOC.htm

Regards,

Chris

The acceptance of evolution is proportional to the degradation of society. No creation, no God, no accountability for our actions. This is the reason why this most unscientific of unscientific theories is so accepted by a supposedly logical world.

 

[revolutio]

Comedic gold. Plus a tin foil hat.

 

[Arikay]

Oh goody, another link spam.
And its from the site that appears to see it as honest to misrepresent themselves in their domain name, how christian of them.
and look, it doesn't even understand evolution.

Now, are you going to spam more, or maybe we can actually have a conversation, that is the point of debating right?


Ok a challenge for you, visit your site and pick 1 (yes One, at least for now) piece of evidence that you think is true, that you understand and that you think deals a large blow to evolution, and we will discuss it. Is that acceptable?

 

[Jet Black]

http://evolution-facts.org/EncyclopediaTOC.htm

www.talkorigins.org therefore you are wrong.

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

Explain to me why if tolemerase is an absoulte REQUIREMENT for proper DNA usage, how we got my without it, or with forms that didn't work yet? And that is just ONE enzyme of THOUSANDS that are vital

 

[Jet Black]

Explain to me why if tolemerase is an absoulte REQUIREMENT for proper DNA usage, how we got my without it, or with forms that didn't work yet? And that is just ONE enzyme of THOUSANDS that are vital

DNA wasn't the first replicator. next plz.

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

Take tolemerase out of us and see what happens. The DNA would be a jumbled mess, because "t" is what cuts and rearranges in proper order, the DNA. How on Earth could we do without? And how can the many many "evolutions" be done in such a small time. Even 3 million, 100 million etc years is very short with the probabilities involved in many "evolutionary advancements".

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Explain to me why if tolemerase is an absoulte REQUIREMENT for proper DNA usage, how we got my without it, or with forms that didn't work yet? And that is just ONE enzyme of THOUSANDS that are vital

I think you must mean Telomerase. Telomerase is active in embryonic cells, fetal cells and germ cells but is absent in most mature cells lines. Telomere shortening causes most adult cell lines to have a finite number of divisions before becoming senescent and undergoing apoptosis. As Jet Black implies Telomerase function may have evolved over time and you can't prove it was vital to the first Eukaryotic cells or in the first metazoan animals.

BTW do you know what the logical error of the false dichotomy is? What you think is evidence against evolution is no more evidence for the Hebrew creation myth than it is for the Hindu, Hopi or Hutu creation myths.

the frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Arikay]

Heh, that site still has the "moon dust" argument on it.

Anyway, Ok, maybe you can pick your second favorite argument against your version of evolution (we will ignore for now that the big bang and abiogenesis aren't part of evolution).

 

[Jet Black]

Take tolemerase out of us and see what happens.

take plumbing out of a city and see what happens. New York is irreducibly complex, therefore it was always just like it is now, right?

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

The telomerase example is one of many. You know how chaotic a single AA change can be. It would take an unbelievable amount of changes for one to be "non-harmful", let alone beneficial. Add to that the many many AA changes that would be required to make telomerase and the many other thousands of vital enzymes. In infinite time, yes I agree, just about anything will probably happen. But that's where evolutionists hit a snag - with the age of the Earth, and the length of time man has been on Earth, we are not dealing with infinite time!

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

As for the plumbing example, that is a bit exaggerated don't you think? 1) Plumbing is not vital to a city. 2) A body is infinitely more complex than a city. 3) City-planning is not accidental, unlike "evolution". So it doesn't require extremely large amounts of luck

 

[Jet Black]

As for the plumbing example, that is a bit exaggerated don't you think? 1) Plumbing is not vital to a city.

yes it is. you try running a city without one. see how long it lasts.

2) A body is infinitely more complex than a city.

given that a body is only finitely complex, you are wrong.

3) City-planning is not accidental, unlike "evolution". So it doesn't require extremely large amounts of luck

evolution isn't accidental either, so your argument falls apart.

 

[Jet Black]

The telomerase example is one of many. You know how chaotic a single AA change can be. It would take an unbelievable amount of changes for one to be "non-harmful", let alone beneficial. Add to that the many many AA changes that would be required to make telomerase and the many other thousands of vital enzymes. In infinite time, yes I agree, just about anything will probably happen. But that's where evolutionists hit a snag - with the age of the Earth, and the length of time man has been on Earth, we are not dealing with infinite time!

I told you already, DNA wasn't the first replicator. stop being annoying.

 

[Susan Sto Helit]

In infinite time, yes I agree, just about anything will probably happen. But that's where evolutionists hit a snag - with the age of the Earth, and the length of time man has been on Earth, we are not dealing with infinite time!

Life on Earth began over 3.5 billion years ago, which is quite a great deal of time.

------SSH

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

"evolution isn't accidental either, so your argument falls apart."

That theory revolves around trillions and trillions of accidental changes, and you say it isn't accidental?

 

[Jet Black]

"evolution isn't accidental either, so your argument falls apart."

That theory revolves around trillions and trillions of accidental changes, and you say it isn't accidental?

hey, did you forget about natural selection or something?

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

"I told you already, DNA wasn't the first replicator. stop being annoying."

What was oh easily annoyed one?

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

"Life on Earth began over 3.5 billion years ago, which is quite a great deal of time."

While there is no proof of that timespan, even that is quite short, considering the many extremely improbable steps.

 

[peschitta_enthusiast]

"hey, did you forget about natural selection or something?"

Are you for real? The whole theory of evolution revolves around accidental mutations.