Jesus said it is finished and we have no sin.

[Kenneth Redden]

We, meaning Christians who have been born again into a new life in Christ, are regarded by God as being sinless. Jesus was sinless while in human form, then was crucified to pay the punishment for all sin for all time. Since we have a new life in him we are not guilty of sin.

“We,” is that your word, or God’s Word. I believe you are captured by your own, “private interpretation.” In John 1:29 it says that Jesus, “taketh away the sin of the world”. Or Hebrews 9:26 that says that Christ, “put away sin by the sacrifice of himself”. Please give the verses you use to interpret that to mean that it applies only to the small proportion of Christians in the world, approximately 32% of the population. I say that “sin,” in the KJV Bible, refers to breaking the laws of the Creation, the laws of the Universe. And Science has proven that this Universe is without sin.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Well, I'd hope that we're in agreement and this is just a matter of choosing the right words.

If by "regarded by God as being sinless" was meant to say that such a person is forgiven his sins at the point of accepting Christ but, like all of us, he'll commit more sins later on, then I'd agree. That will not cause him to lose salvation, however.

Well, I'd hope that we're in agreement and this is just a matter of choosing the right words.

If by "regarded by God as being sinless" was meant to say that such a person is forgiven his sins at the point of accepting Christ but, like all of us, he'll commit more sins later on, then I'd agree. That will not cause him to lose salvation, however.

We do not have to do anything to receive eternal life. Christ has done it ALL, Ephesians 2:8 KJV. It is Christ's faith that saves us, not that of our own. We do not have the faith of a mustard seed, must less the faith to earn eternal life, Matthew 17:20 KJV & Luke 17:6 KJV.

 

[pescador]

“We,” is that your word, or God’s Word. I believe you are captured by your own, “private interpretation.” In John 1:29 it says that Jesus, “taketh away the sin of the world”. Or Hebrews 9:26 that says that Christ, “put away sin by the sacrifice of himself”. Please give the verses you use to interpret that to mean that it applies only to the small proportion of Christians in the world, approximately 32% of the population. I say that “sin,” in the KJV Bible, refers to breaking the laws of the Creation, the laws of the Universe. And Science has proven that this Universe is without sin.

God and I both use that word.

If you I believe I am captured by my own, “private interpretation” you are wrong. My "interpretation" agrees with sound Christian doctrine.

Jesus, by his death, paid the price for all sin but unless you die to sin and become alive in Christ you will be held accountable for all your sins and appropriately punished. If you think that this doesn't apply to the 68% of the population (your statistic), show me where you get that information.

 

[pescador]

We do not have to do anything to receive eternal life. Christ has done it ALL, Ephesians 2:8 KJV. It is Christ's faith that saves us, not that of our own. We do not have the faith of a mustard seed, must less the faith to earn eternal life, Matthew 17:20 KJV & Luke 17:6 KJV.

Those who do not die to themselves and become alive again in Christ do not have eternal life. Eternal life is found only in Christ. "There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among mortals by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

 

[Kenneth Redden]

God and I both use that word.

If you I believe I am captured by my own, “private interpretation” you are wrong. My "interpretation" agrees with sound Christian doctrine.

Jesus, by his death, paid the price for all sin but unless you die to sin and become alive in Christ you will be held accountable for all your sins and appropriately punished. If you think that this doesn't apply to the 68% of the population (your statistic), show me where you get that information.

OK, but you must back up everything you say with scripture. What is the book and verse you use to back up what you have said so far?
This is where I got my statistic, but the statistic is not important, just the fact that most of the people in the world are not Christian.

1. Percent of Christians worldwide
   As a result, Christians make up about the same portion of the world’s population today (32%) as they did a century ago (35%).
   Number of Christians Rises, But Their Share of World ...
   www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/number-of-ch

 

[pescador]

OK, but you must back up everything you say with scripture. What is the book and verse you use to back up what you have said so far?
This is where I got my statistic, but the statistic is not important, just the fact that most of the people in the world are not Christian.

1. Percent of Christians worldwide
   As a result, Christians make up about the same portion of the world’s population today (32%) as they did a century ago (35%).
   Number of Christians Rises, But Their Share of World ...
   www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/number-of-ch

I don't have to give you the book and verse -- do you mean book, chapter and verse? -- as I am not in the habit of plucking a single verse out of context and thereby "proving" a universal truth. I have a thorough understanding of Christian doctrine. I already gave you one verse that is sufficient to illustrate a greater understanding than a partial verse, taken out of context. Here is how easy it is to play around with single words and part verses to prove a predetermined conclusion...

You quoted only a part of John 1:29. The whole verse reads: "The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" Which particular sin is that? Shouldn't John have said "sins" if he meant more than one? How does the world sin? I thought that only people sin.

You also quoted only a part of Hebrews 9:26. The following verses say "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." It doesn't say "bear the sins of all" but many. And it says that he will save "those who are eagerly waiting for him", meaning not everyone.

I strongly suggest that you gain a more thorough understanding of the Bible's message and Christian doctrine instead of refuting my statements with just parts of verses taken out of context.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I don't have to give you the book and verse -- do you mean book, chapter and verse? -- as I am not in the habit of plucking a single verse out of context and thereby "proving" a universal truth. I have a thorough understanding of Christian doctrine. I already gave you one verse that is sufficient to illustrate a greater understanding than a partial verse, taken out of context. Here is how easy it is to play around with single words and part verses to prove a predetermined conclusion...

Yes, thanks. But if you do not have, or cannot find scripture to support what you say, it is hearsay and means nothing; classic private interpretation. I believe that Christian dogma has only half of the message for us in the KJV Bible. There is the message for those of the turn of the first century, which the Christian Church has bought into, and then there is the message that the apostle Paul has for us here in the 21st Century, which the Christian Church is totally oblivious of.

You quoted only a part of John 1:29. The whole verse reads: "The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" Which particular sin is that? Shouldn't John have said "sins" if he meant more than one? How does the world sin? I thought that only people sin.

I don’t see how that changes anything.
“Sin,” means all sin.
Scripture says “sin of the world”, if you do not understand; I can help.

You also quoted only a part of Hebrews 9:26. The following verses say "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." It doesn't say "bear the sins of all" but many. And it says that he will save "those who are eagerly waiting for him", meaning not everyone.

Only sinners from the beginning and third day of the Creation can be guilty of sin, which is all those referenced in scripture. There is no sin in this the fourth day of the Creation. Sin is gone; so all of this Universe will live, and judgment is according to works, Revelation 20:12-13 & Revelation 22:11.

 

[pescador]

Yes, thanks. But if you do not have, or cannot find scripture to support what you say, it is hearsay and means nothing; classic private interpretation. I believe that Christian dogma has only half of the message for us in the KJV Bible. There is the message for those of the turn of the first century, which the Christian Church has bought into, and then there is the message that the apostle Paul has for us here in the 21st Century, which the Christian Church is totally oblivious of.

I don’t see how that changes anything.
“Sin,” means all sin.
Scripture says “sin of the world”, if you do not understand; I can help.

Only sinners from the beginning and third day of the Creation can be guilty of sin, which is all those referenced in scripture. There is no sin in this the fourth day of the Creation. Sin is gone; so all of this Universe will live, and judgment is according to works, Revelation 20:12-13 & Revelation 22:11.

There is no point in discussing this any further. You have a serious misunderstanding of scripture, particularly of sin. You cherry pick from verses all over the Bible and string them together in some form of distorted logic. I pray that some day your eyes might be enlightened to see God's truth, but that's obviously not today.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

There is no point in discussing this any further. You have a serious misunderstanding of scripture, particularly of sin. You cherry pick from verses all over the Bible and string them together in some form of distorted logic. I pray that some day your eyes might be enlightened to see God's truth, but that's obviously not today.

Yes, I agree. There is no point in discussing Paul's Interpretation with you. You cannot see it.
So, I am still searching for someone with which to leave this understanding. Thank you for your prayers, I can use them.

 

[Thursday]

Yes, thank you.
Jesus said, "it is finished"; and we have no sin.

What is finished?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

What is finished?

Christ's work for the Father is finished.