Jesus predicts Muhammad?

[Phantasman]

Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey | Mail Online

I don't see the value.

Barnabas has a non canonical writing dating to earlier than 400 that doesn't have these beliefs.

 

[interpreter]

We don't need the gospel of Barnabas to tell us that Mohammed and his followers are the 7th head of Satan.

 

[Vanilla Scripture]

Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey | Mail Online

I don't see the value.

Barnabas has a non canonical writing dating to earlier than 400 that doesn't have these beliefs.

I think it behooves us to question what we accept as God's breath, God's word to the world, and then realize the canon arrived at man's election. That what many Christians today follow is a creed appointed by Constantine and that outlined belief in practice and thought.

If God speaks what power is vested in man to decide what should be heard?

Islam is a false faith. We know this. Muhammad was illiterate. He claimed to get the word of Allah through the emissary angel Gabriel and for many years on end.
Then Muhammad supposedly dictated what was imprinted into his memory by this angel to the scribe he entrusted to write it down.

If God wanted to speak to the world as a supreme being he would have served the purpose far better than choosing an illiterate to deliver the message.
And also, though some claim the culture is the excuse, God would have done well to choose someone who did not marry a little girl and represent himself as a prophet who was also a child rapist. This by the western standards at the very least and that culture that would later judge the man for his choices.

A prophet of a higher power is not credible when he's a low life.

 

[Phantasman]

I think it behooves us to question what we accept as God's breath, God's word to the world, and then realize the canon arrived at man's election. That what many Christians today follow is a creed appointed by Constantine and that outlined belief in practice and thought.

If God speaks what power is vested in man to decide what should be heard?

Islam is a false faith. We know this. Muhammad was illiterate. He claimed to get the word of Allah through the emissary angel Gabriel and for many years on end.
Then Muhammad supposedly dictated what was imprinted into his memory by this angel to the scribe he entrusted to write it down.

If God wanted to speak to the world as a supreme being he would have served the purpose far better than choosing an illiterate to deliver the message.
And also, though some claim the culture is the excuse, God would have done well to choose someone who did not marry a little girl and represent himself as a prophet who was also a child rapist. This by the western standards at the very least and that culture that would later judge the man for his choices.

A prophet of a higher power is not credible when he's a low life.

Whether you follow Constantine or Muhammad, you follow the choices of fallible men. It's in what the individual perceives, and how do we judge such? By the Spirit we are shown the truth and our fruits (and works) reflect it. Ignorance has a lot to do with it. But ignorance of love, which our Father is. How can one love God and despise his children, whom he loves? I see both men doing so during their tenure as saint and prophet, respectively. And people still follow.

 

[bbbbbbb]

In the 1990's I knew a devout Turkish Sunni Muslim who was working diligently to prove this from the Bible. The Sunnis have been at this for decades, if not centuries, thinking that it will result in the mass conversion of Christians. However, all their attampts are ludicrous at best and I told my friend as much.

 

[football5680]

Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey | Mail Online

I don't see the value.

Barnabas has a non canonical writing dating to earlier than 400 that doesn't have these beliefs.

LOL it actually disproves Islam in the process as well so we would all be wrong.

If Jesus denied being the Messiah and it was actually Muhammad then Muhammad was a very confused man who did not know his true identity.

 

[WPDP]

The gospel of Barnabas didn't exist before 1634. There is no evidence to suggest that this document belongs to the first century.

If you accept the gospel of Barnabas then you have to throw away the rest of the Bible. In the gospel of Barnabas Jesus declares that he is not the Messiah, but Mohammad is.

Can you imagine that God would chose as his final prophet, a man that later generations would consider a pedophile, or that he should declare that one wing of a fly has disease but the the other wing has it cure - so switch the fly in your tea before you drink, or that dogs were demon possessed so they should be killed, or that his prophet should teach that we can have four wives, but he himself is allowed a dozen or more, or that slavery is permitted?

 

[Purge187]

A prophet of a higher power is not credible when he's a low life.

Not necessarily true. Moses was a murderer.

That being said, yes, I think Muhammad was a false prophet. Islam can be dismissed with one line from Paul:

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, were to be a preacher to you of good news other than that which we have given you, let there be a curse on him.

 

[Imagican]

It's funny how HARD the Muslims TRY to make 'their god' the SAME God of the Jews and the Christians.

But history dictates that, while the Arabs and Jews DID believe in the SAME God at one time, something happened that led the Arabs AWAY from God and into this CULT that they call Islam.

I THINK that social changes and the hopelessness of the masses often leads to KNEW beliefs. Out of desperation people OFTEN end up BEGGING for an answer and then BONDING to the FIRST ONE that comes along no matter HOW inane or ludicrous. If they can IMAGINE the NEW belief being responsible for change, then it's THAT easy to become a proponent.

And one can imagine how difficult life was for POOR people living in the DESSERT with limited amounts of food and water. Fighting every day of their lives just to obtain the NECESSITIES. And then having to deal with feudal war lords finding it to their advantage to make war and TAKE from others in order to increase their own wealth.

And we can CLEARLY see that much of this SAME sentiment exists TODAY. When a person cares NO MORE for life than to believe it's to their advantage to strap a bomb to themselves in order to kill themselves and innocent strangers it is pretty clear that their lives must REALLY SUCK. Life must be so miserable that DEATH is to them a seemingly BETTER alternative.

But look how this MESSAGE is SO different than that offered by Christ. We are instructed and inspired by Christ to cherish the fact that we were given LIFE. And to SEEK MORE OF IT.

Yet the message that seems to invade the perceptions of many that follow Islam is: it's OK to KILL OTHERS and to KILL YOURSELF. And not ONLY OK, but to be REWARDED by 'their god'.

Their 'book' teaches that it is OK to lie to the infidels in order to take advantage of them, (destroy the infidels and their way of life). So it comes as NO surprise that the brilliant ones are CONSTANTLY trying to relate Islam to Christianity in a POSITIVE light as if they are merely branches of the SAME religion. Which couldn't be FURTHER from the TRUTH.

Every day I hear the words of Islamist trying to dispel the actions of those that they call: EXTREMISTS. But when one studies this 'Islam' and what it TRULY IS, they find that it is NOT merely a RELIGION. It is a WAY of life dictated through a book written by scribes to an illiterate man claiming to be given instruction from God. A WAY OF LIFE as supposedly dictated by GOD.

So it is NOT about extremism as indicated by the SMART ONES. For the ENTIRE premise to this WAY OF LIFE IS EXTREMISM. ALL those that follow Islam AS their WAY OF LIFE ARE EXTREMISTS. For there is NO intermediate or mild Muslims. You either ARE a Muslim or you are NOT. And the determining factor is an admission of belief in and an ADHERENCE to ISLAM. And according to their book itself, it is considered ACCEPTABLE that DEATH be the sentence of ANYONE that turns away from their WAY OF LIFE, (Islam). If that is NOT EXTREME, then I guess I don't really understand the word.

The LAST thing that a believer in Christ would allow is those that are SO OPPOSED to the truth convince them that they are following the same religion but different paths. Islam and Christianity are NO DIFFERENT than oil and water. They can only mix for a MOMENT if shaken like the dickens, (whom ever is being bombarded with propaganda actually LISTENS to what they are being offered).

Blessings,

MEC

 

[he-man]

It's funny how HARD the Muslims TRY to make 'their god' the SAME God of the Jews and the Christians. But history dictates that, while the Arabs and Jews DID believe in the SAME God at one time, something happened that led the Arabs AWAY from God and into this CULT that they call Islam. Blessings, MEC

Esau is cursed.
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Gen 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Esau is cursed.
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Gen 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.

Oddly enough the Edomites disappearefrom the historical record during the Roman Empire. The Arabs, from whom Islam is found, neither were nor are Edomites.

 

[he-man]

Oddly enough the Edomites disappearefrom the historical record during the Roman Empire. The Arabs, from whom Islam is found, neither were nor are Edomites.

Citation needed not personal expressions.

It was originally occupied by the Horites (Gen. 14:6), who were afterwards driven out by the Edomites (Idumea) the Greek form of Edom (Gen. 32:3; 33:14, 16). It was allotted to the descendants of Esau (Deut. 2:4, 22; Josh. 24:4; 2 Chr. 20:10; Isa. 21:11; Exek. 25:8). Smith's Bible Dictionary

Pliny (t) speaks of Idumea and Judea together, as a part of [Arabic] Syria;
Nat. Hist. l. 5. c. 12. (u) Geograph. l. 5. c. 16

Wahhabiism is the overwhelming Islamic branch in Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Arab occupied Israel (West Bank and Gaza). These, plus Europe, are the only places where Wahhabiism is in the majority.
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Esau is equated with Edom as dwelling in Mt. Seir; and he is described as the father of Edom (36:9, Hebrew). The name however is probably much older. It may be traced in the records of the Twelfth Dynasty in Egypt. In the Tell el-Amarna Letters (Brit Mus No. 64) Udumu, or Edom, is named; and in Assyrian inscriptions the name Udumu occurs of a city and of a country. The latter may have been named from the former: this again may have been derived from a deity, Edom, who may be traced in such a name as Obed-edom (2 Samuel 6:10).
They gave what help they could to Nebuchadnezzar, and exulted in the destruction of Jerusalem, stirring the bitterest indignation in the hearts of the Jews (Lamentations 4:21 Ezekiel 25:12; Ezekiel 35:3 Obadiah 1:10). The Edomites pressed into the now empty lands in the South of Judah. In 300 B.C. Mt. Seir with its capital Petra fell into the hands of the Nabateans.
Antipater, governor of Idumaea, was made procurator of Judea, Samaria and Galilee by Julius Caesar. He paved the way to the throne for his son Herod the Great. With the fall of Judah under the Romans, Idumaea disappears from history.
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this woman Esau took to wife was his sister by his mother's side Esau therefore takes one of his father's brother's daughters and children born of her could not inherit the land promised to Abraham and Isaac. [GILL]
Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan;
Thus Esau dwelt in mount Seir; Esau is Edom.
And these are the generations of Esau, the father of Edom, in mount Seir.

It is the original name of the mountain range extending along the east side of the valley of Arabah, from the Dead Sea to the Elanitic, Golf. The Horites appear to have been the chief of the aboriginal inhabitants, (Genesis 36:20) but it was ever afterward the possession of the Edomites, the descendants of Esau.

The Mount Seir of the: Bible extended much farther south than the modern province, as is shown by the words of (2:1-8) It had the Arabah on the west, vs. 1 and 8; it extended as far south as the head of the Gulf of Akabah, ver. 8; its eastern border ran along the base of the mountain range where the plateau of Arabia begins. Its northern, order is not so accurately determined. There is a line of "naked" white hills or cliffs which run across the great valley about eight miles south of the Dead Sea, the highest eminence being Mount Hor, which is 4800 feet high.
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