Jesus is the light of the world...

[LittleLambofJesus]

we believe that God raised jesus (pbuh) to heaven and we believe in his second coming when he will kill antichrist

Salam elwill. Our dear brother Paul also agrees with that as do the OT Prophets.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him [Zech 14:5/Revelation 19:11.]

Zech 14:5 And you flee ravine of mountains, that he shall touch ravine of mountains to 'Atsel. And you flee as which you fled from before the earthquake in days of `Uzziyah king of Y@huwdah and He comes, YHWH my Elohiym, all of holy-ones with You.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5366795-what-is-the-parousia-in-the-new-testament.html

 

[Rasta]

If you interprete the Torah to imply that the person must fulfill this and that to be a Messiah, then the Jews must be right.

What is the odds that the current criteria to be a Messiah is based on a wrong interpretation, based on a wrong sets of expectations?

I have no clue.

But I agree then, the Torah NEVER teaches the Messiah to be a man-god. Period.

Yeah. The idea of God becoming a man is blaphemous to their theology.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have no clue.

Yeah. The idea of God becoming a man is blaphemous to their theology.

Hi Rasta!! Would you be willing to go with "image" of YHWH?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 1:26 And Elohiym is saying "We shall make 'adam in our image, after our likeness"
Gene 2:27 And 'Elohiym is creating the-'adam in image of Him, in image of 'Elohiym He creates/bara' him, male and female He creates/bara' them

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the God of the Age, this, hath-blinded the minds of the faithless into the no to shine forth to-them the enlightening of the Good-News of the glory of the Christ, who is an image of the God/YHWH

 

[Rasta]

Hi Rasta!! Would you be willing to go with "image" of YHWH?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 1:26 And Elohiym is saying "We shall make 'adam in our image, after our likeness"
Gene 2:27 And 'Elohiym is creating the-'adam in image of Him, in image of 'Elohiym He creates/bara' him, male and female He creates/bara' them

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the God of the Age, this, hath-blinded the minds of the faithless into the no to shine forth to-them the enlightening of the Good-News of the glory of the Christ, who is an image of the God/YHWH

Hey!! I'm not quite sure what you mean.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey!! I'm not quite sure what you mean.

I don't blame ya bro. It was while I was doing a translation of Genesis that I came across the hebrew word for "adam", which Paul also mentions in the NT. What I couldn't understand is why most Bible versions do not use the hebrew word used for "adam" where it is used in the hebrew as there are different words used for "man". Just idle curiosity.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

120 matches the Hebrew &#1488;&#1491;&#1501; ('adam).
AV &#8212; man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1, hypocrite 1 552 times 526 verses

Ezekiel 1:26 And above to expanse which over their head, as appearance stone of sapphire likeness of throne, and on likeness of the throne, likeness as appearance of 'adam upon it from to upward.

Ezekiel 2:1 And He is saying to me "son of 'adam, stand! on thy feet and I shall speak with thee"......

1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in the Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all shall be being made alive.

 

[Adeeb]

I would love an answer on this, I've noticed the quran states "the book" (the book=bible) its' context IS revealed by God HERE...

We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).

RIGHT?

Well here is what "the book" says about Jesus Christ.
John 8:12 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:12&version=9;

if the Quran does not lie then Jesus IS the Light of the world! because the bible is revealed by God according to the quran.

"We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them" 3:84

We believe in the book given to Jesus, not the book written by Mark, Mathew, Luke, or John who are the supposed authors of the 4 Gospels.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them" 3:84

We believe in the book given to Jesus, not the book written by Mark, Mathew, Luke, or John who are the supposed authors of the 4 Gospels.

Salam!!! I can understand the Orthodox Jews rejecting the NT/NC, but not the Muslims.
But then again, I suppose that is one reason Islam says the Koran overides both the Hebrew OT and Christ-ian NT.

LLOJ [ponders whether to just throw out the whole Bible and become atheist]

Matt 23:34 `Because of this, lo!, I am Commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wisemen and Scribes, out of Them Ye shall be Killing and ye shall be Crucifying/staurwsete <4717> (5692),...............

John 19:15 But they cried out, "Take away you!, take away you! Crucify you Him!". Is saying to them, the Pilate " The king of ye I shall be crucifying/staurwsw <4717> (5692)"?
The chief priest answered, "We have no king except Caesar".

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
4 In Him Life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

 

[elwill]

"We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them" 3:84

We believe in the book given to Jesus, not the book written by Mark, Mathew, Luke, or John who are the supposed authors of the 4 Gospels.

i agree with you
we think that these Gospeles arn't the Injeel , but it's interpretations for it which written by humans , the real injeel which supposed to be by language of Jesus(pbuh) is lost

 

[randomman]

Hey!! I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Islam says the same thing .... but we disagree with christians on what "in image of" means

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Islam says the same thing .... but we disagree with christians on what "in image of" means

Christians disagree with each other on what it means.
If YHWH and His Christ are of the Spirit, then I suppose that means we are to also be of Spirit and explaining the Spirit is fairly difficult itself.

I just suggest getting rid of "semantics" and just enjoy Life in whatever religion [or even non-religion] you belong to.................. Put off the FLESH!!!

Zechariah 2:13 "Hush/02013 hacah!, All of Flesh from view of YHWH. That He is roused from His habitation, holy of Him.

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing All Flesh the Salvation/swthrion <4992> of the GOD/YHWH.'

 

[Zstar]

That is interesting about the Injeel, not heard of that before. I've been told the Virgin Mary, Maryam, is mentioned by name in the Koran and is said to have been a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. If Jesus Christ didn't fulfill all the Torah propecies about Messiah, couldn't he fulfill the rest in time - like when he returned?

 

[Futuwwa]

That is interesting about the Injeel, not heard of that before. I've been told the Virgin Mary, Maryam, is mentioned by name in the Koran and is said to have been a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. If Jesus Christ didn't fulfill all the Torah propecies about Messiah, couldn't he fulfill the rest in time - like when he returned?

Well, yes, that's the most common Christian rebuttal to the Jewish polemic that Jesus did not fulfil all necessary Messianic prophecies (and in some cases, contradicted them outright). However, the problem with that rebuttal is, that it makes the original argument, "Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecies", into a tautology. Regardless of what happens, nothing can prove the statement wrong!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, yes, that's the most common Christian rebuttal to the Jewish polemic that Jesus did not fulfil all necessary Messianic prophecies (and in some cases, contradicted them outright). However, the problem with that rebuttal is, that it makes the original argument, "Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecies", into a tautology. Regardless of what happens, nothing can prove the statement wrong!

Salam Futuwwa. If I am not mistaken, don't the Muslims believe the "Kingdom of YHWH" was taken from the Jews and given to Muhammad and the Muslims? Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

John 8:23 And He said to them, "Ye out of the below are, I out of the above am. Ye out of this, the world, are. I not am out of the world, this.
24 I said then to ye, that ye shall be dying/apoqaneisqe <599> (5695) in the sins of ye, for if-ever no ye should be believing that I am, ye shall be dying in the sins of ye.'

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that shall be being taken-away/arqhsetai <142> (5701) from Ye the Kingdom of the GOD/YHWH, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.

 

[Zstar]

I can relate to the Islam concept that the current "Scriptures" are corrupt and that an Injeel of Jesus was lost. Why would Jesus not write anything, even the Golden Rule or a concept of what he came to teach, down in his words?

During the reform of Josiah was probably when the Old Testament was changed but the New Testament I'm not so sure about when and how changes occured.

Jesus is the light of the world to me, more than a messenger or prophet but the Creator God and Bodymaker in a body. This concept is drawn not from the Abrahamic faiths but from Zoroastrian roots.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I can relate to the Islam concept that the current "Scriptures" are corrupt and that an Injeel of Jesus was lost. Why would Jesus not write anything, even the Golden Rule or a concept of what he came to teach, down in his words?....................

Abrahamic faiths but from Zoroastrian roots.

Hi. Does "writing in the dirt" count?

I found something rather interesting while reading through Daniel one day and the event in Daniel 5 is eerily similar to the event in John 8 when Jesus wrote 2 things in the ground concerning the corrupt hypocritical Jewish rulers and I started a thread on it awhile back.

http://christianforums.com/t4724863&page=4
John 8 and Jesus writing in the Dirt

John 8:6 This yet they said, trying Him, that They may be having to be accusing of Him. The yet Jesus down stooping, to the finger Wrote into the ground/ghn <1093>,
7 As yet they persisted asking Him. He up-bends and said toward them "The sinless-one of ye first the stone/liqon <3037> on her let be casting!
8 And again down stooping He Wrote into the ground/ghn <1093>,

Daniel 5:24 In-then before-him being-sent the-fingertip/06447pac, that of the-hand and-the-writing/03792 k@thab, the-this, being-signified/07560 r@sham

25 And this the writing/k@thab that being signified/r@sham: 'Mene', Mene', T@qal , P@rac'.
26 And this interpretation of the matter:
Mene' accounting the 'Elahh kingdom of you, and he balances her'.
27 T@qal 'you are weighed in the scales and you are found lacking'.
28 P@rac 'Being divided kingdom of you and being granted to-Maday and-Parac'.

 

[Zstar]

No surprise that a Magus such as Daniel would echo Jesus. I'm overwhelmed by the content of this forum, not familiar with that post.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Perhaps when the author of the Gospels wrote Jesus is the light of the world, they were personifying the sunshine? Meaning as long as the sunshine worked, there would be life on the Earth, and the human race would be able to continue to have children, and continue to live, by not going extinct.

Then author of the bible, thought, maybe we can pretend to call the Sunshine, Jesus Christ, and maybe, instead of the Sunshine giving life to the Earth, the Son of God will give life to forever to every human?

All that from looking at the sunshine. The twelve disciples could represent the twelve signs of the zodiac, tha the sun ha to go through to completely go throughout the ages, an age being the time spent in one zodiac, like 1990 years.

Something to think about.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Perhaps when the author of the Gospels wrote Jesus is the light of the world, they were personifying the sunshine? Meaning as long as the sunshine worked, there would be life on the Earth, and the human race would be able to continue to have children, and continue to live, by not going extinct.

Then author of the bible, thought, maybe we can pretend to call the Sunshine, Jesus Christ, and maybe, instead of the Sunshine giving life to the Earth, the Son of God will give life to forever to every human?

All that from looking at the sunshine. The twelve disciples could represent the twelve signs of the zodiac, tha the sun ha to go through to completely go throughout the ages, an age being the time spent in one zodiac, like 1990 years.

Something to think about.

Very interesting. In the beginning YHWH created 2 Great lights, the Sun and the Moon and many times the NT authors use Night as an analogy of "evil/wickedness/blindness" Here are a few examples:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

1 John 2:11 The-one yet hating his brother, in the darkness is, and in the darkness is about-walking, and not he has perceived whither he is going, that the darkness hath-blinded/etuflwsen <5186> (5656) the eyes of him

Romans 13:12 The Night progresses, the yet Day has neared/hggiken <1448> (5758). We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.