Jesus is the light of the world...

[simonthezealot]

Perhaps you should try to convince them why the Messiah doesn't need to fufill ALL OF THE MESSIANIC PROPHESIES.

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I know He will.

 

[Rasta]

I agree with this too.

Basically, it's a personal thing. Only the person who's there knows whether they are Spirit led.... the problem is when people present their desires and ideation instead of Spirit.

They may not be aware because they don't understand. I've been a Christian for 25 or so years and have only recently found the Holy Spirit. Most people think their moral compass is the spirit which is false (and some are flat manipulators)

ok. I think we may be getting off topic here. So we'll leave it at that.

 

[Meshavrischika]

OH I get it. Don't worry about that. I understand it is simple.

I have a hinckling suspition that you qualify "truely understand" as accepting your position without scrutinty.

Unfortunately too many people feel this way. Personally I don't think it's my job to sway your belief. It is God's job. I just share my experience. (of course I like to argue, but this shouldn't be construed as condemning)

 

[simonthezealot]

OH I get it. Don't worry about that. I understand it is simple.

I have a hinckling suspition that you qualify "truely understand" as accepting your position without scrutinty.

Actually accepting without doubt, NOT scrutiny..

 

[Rasta]

I know He will.

Why bother responding if you aren't going to respond to all of my post?

Are you here for victory?

 

[elwill]

although the corruptance of the bible exist nowadays , i can see islam faith in bible rather than christianity faith
i think that christians depend on thier beliefs on church teachings rather than bible teachings
by another word , i cant find christianity faith in thier bible .
beside , christians also depends on imaginary spirit rather than thier mind and the logic , so that every question raised for them they havn't the answer , they say you must have the spirit to understand it !!!!

my conclusion is that even we believe in corruptance of bible but it's still have the light for whom search with open mind depending on himself not the brainwash of the church .

 

[Rasta]

Actually accepting without doubt, NOT scrutiny..

Explain the difference. Thoroughly please.

 

[Rasta]

I know He will.

You think he will. "Know" has a percise definition. Thanks.

 

[Rasta]

although the corruptance of the bible exist nowadays , i can see islam faith in bible rather than christianity faith
i think that christians depend on thier beliefs on church teachings rather than bible teachings
by another word , i cant find christianity faith in thier bible .
beside , christians also depends on imaginary spirit rather than thier mind and the logic , so that every question raised for them they havn't the answer , they say you must have the spirit to understand it !!!!

my conclusion is that even we believe in corruptance of bible but it's still have the light for whom search with open mind depending on himself not the brainwash of the church .

I'm sorry. The Quran is not logical.

If all you need is logic to understand the Quran, please explain in detail what the second heaven is.

How about the third heaven?

And the fourth?

What is the fifth heaven?

How about the sixth?

And the seventh?

 

[elwill]

I'm sorry. The Quran is not logical.

If all you need is logic to understand the Quran, please explain in detail what the second heaven is.

How about the third heaven?

And the fourth?

What is the fifth heaven?

How about the sixth?

And the seventh?

what you ask isn't the logic , these things are divine secrets.

 

[Rasta]

what you ask isn't the logic , these things are divine secrets.

See, you can't explain everything either.

 

[elwill]

what is your question , and where is the logic or unlogic sense in it

 

[Rasta]

what is your question , and where is the logic or unlogic sense in it

The last one was not a question, but rather refuting your claim.

 

[dawiyd]

I know He will.

Will ≠ Has done.

Ipso facto not the messiah.

 

[Zstar]

Doesn't Islam say that God transported Jesus Christ to Heaven and that he will return someday as Mahdawai to finish his mission?

 

[Islam_mulia]

I would love an answer on this, I've noticed the quran states "the book" (the book=bible) its' context IS revealed by God HERE...

We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).

RIGHT?

Well here is what "the book" says about Jesus Christ.
John 8:12 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 8:12&version=9;

if the Quran does not lie then Jesus IS the Light of the world! because the bible is revealed by God according to the quran.

In Islam, all prophets are 'light of the world' as they lead their followers, their ummah, from darkness to the clear path of God.

Jesus (pbuh) is a 'light of the world' just like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Muhammad (peace be upon them).

 

[Islam_mulia]

Yes, but the Torah also says that the Messiah must fufill, you know, ALL OF THE PROPHESIES to be the Messiah.

Not 2/3 now, and the rest later.

There is a reason why Jews don't believe in your brand of "truth".

If you interprete the Torah to imply that the person must fulfill this and that to be a Messiah, then the Jews must be right.

What is the odds that the current criteria to be a Messiah is based on a wrong interpretation, based on a wrong sets of expectations?

But I agree then, the Torah NEVER teaches the Messiah to be a man-god. Period.

 

[peepnklown]

Jesus (Iesous/Yehoshua) is the light of the world…because he is the personification of the Sun which is the true light of the world.

 

[elwill]

Doesn't Islam say that God transported Jesus Christ to Heaven and that he will return someday as Mahdawai to finish his mission?

we believe that God raised jesus (pbuh) to heaven and we believe in his second coming when he will kill antichrist

 

[Meshavrischika]

Jesus (Iesous/Yehoshua) is the light of the world…because he is the personification of the Sun which is the true light of the world.

you know that raises an interesting point... that Christ was crucified on the alter (cross) of a pagan sun god...