Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love. (3)

[ozell]

Job 21

25And another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure.

26They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.


27Behold, I know your thoughts, and the devices which ye wrongfully imagine against me.

28For ye say, Where is the house of the prince? and where are the dwelling places of the wicked?

29Have ye not asked them that go by the way? and do ye not know their tokens,

30That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

31Who shall declare his way to his face? and who shall repay him what he hath done?

32Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb.

33The clods of the valley shall be sweet unto him, and every man shall draw after him, as there are innumerable before him.
34How then comfort ye me in vain, seeing in your answers there remaineth falsehood?

 

[ozell]

Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Jeremiah 7:23
But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5:2-4
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[ozell]

So much for God love for everyone, even women, children and babies

Genesis 6

5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.


11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.


Genesis 7:21
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

 

[ozell]

Deuteronomy 32:38-40
38Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.


39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever



Isaiah 47:10-12
10For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

11Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
12Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.



13Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.


14Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
15Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

Amos 3

6Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

 

[ozell]

Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.


Ephesians 6:9
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[razzelflabben]

So much for God love for everyone, even women, children and babies

Genesis 6

5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.


11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.


Genesis 7:21
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

You do understand that with great love, comes great grief, right?

 

[razzelflabben]

Ozell, it is as if you are just spouting any scripture you run across because you think it somehow will make you sound wise. I tell you in truth, that is what these passage sound like, your pathetic attempt to sound wise, when in reality it makes you sound foolish and rude. Notice I Cor. 13
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

 

[ozell]

the God of unconditional love should have had some love for these babies,

this was prophesied before it happened

Matthew 2
16Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

18In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

 

[ozell]

Ozell, it is as if you are just spouting any scripture you run across because you think it somehow will make you sound wise. I tell you in truth, that is what these passage sound like, your pathetic attempt to sound wise, when in reality it makes you sound foolish and rude. Notice I Cor. 13
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Sister

I'm doing the Lord's business without the emotions attached!

 

[ozell]

The God of this bible respects not man, woman, child, or baby!

Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.


Ephesians 6:9
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 9


1He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

2And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 8And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

 

[ozell]

God cannot love every one now or when he returns
Revelation 22:10-12



10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

even in the last chapter in the last book of the bible we still have the unjust and the filthy!

God don't deal with filthy and unjust people!!

The God of conditional love don't!!!

 

[razzelflabben]

the God of unconditional love should have had some love for these babies,

this was prophesied before it happened

Matthew 2
16Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

18In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

what makes you think He didn't? The passage does not say He did not love. In fact, if love is only preserving anothers physical existence, then scripture lies because we all will face death in this life. But God offers us all eternal life...sounds like He knows something we don't huh?

 

[razzelflabben]

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Sister

I'm doing the Lord's business without the emotions attached!

your quoting random scriptures without meaning or effort of purpose...that isn't the Lord's business, in fact, God is a God of order, not chaos as you are providing here.

 

[razzelflabben]

The God of this bible respects not man, woman, child, or baby!

Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.


Ephesians 6:9
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 9


1He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

2And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 8And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now, where God shows us He does not play favorites, your claim is that He is saying that He has no love for man at all....no wonder you think as the pagans that God is a god to be appeased rather than loved!!!! Ozell you need to read scripture for meaning. God is not like the pagan gods but rather, God is the God of love, the God of grace. It isn't what we do that finds favor.

 

[razzelflabben]

God cannot love every one now or when he returns
Revelation 22:10-12



10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

even in the last chapter in the last book of the bible we still have the unjust and the filthy!

God don't deal with filthy and unjust people!!

The God of conditional love don't!!!

He ate with the tax collector, allowed the adulterer to give Him water. Healed the sinners, etc. That sounds to me like a God that deals with filthy and unjust people.

 

[groktruth]

He ate with the tax collector, allowed the adulterer to give Him water. Healed the sinners, etc. That sounds to me like a God that deals with filthy and unjust people.

"Love suffers long, and is kind."

 

[razzelflabben]

"Love suffers long, and is kind."

LEt me share a bit with you about the word rude....NIV 5 It does not dishonor others
KJV 5Doth not behave itself unseemly

NKJV 5 does not behave rudely

Holman 5 does not act improperly

The word here is used when referring to sexual advances toward another, the heart of the word however is one of shame. Love does not behave in a way that is shameful. However, shame is also the eyes by which we often see others. Therefore, when we really dig into the text and understand the word and what it meant to the people of the day, we see that rude/shame/unseemly/dishonor/improper, are all trying to relay the idea that love is neither ashamed (because of forgiveness) nor does love know shame in others. Love goes to where we are, the mire and mess of our lives. It is not ashamed to go into the nasty places that sin takes us, because love does not know shame. Forgiveness brings that lack of shame, it reaches out to us and is offered before we even ask for it. So when we talk about the uncomely, the unjust and filthy people of this world, in our lives, what we are really talking about, is something in opposition to love.

You see, when we see people as unjust, filthy, uncomly, what we are seeing with is man's eyes. When we begin to see with the eyes of love, what we see if people who are loved by our Lord. People whose value is so great that Jesus came and died for them. Love, changes our situation and transforms our lives so that we can see the God who seeks to save us. And...love is not rude....

 

[groktruth]

LEt me share a bit with you about the word rude....NIV 5 It does not dishonor others
KJV 5Doth not behave itself unseemly

NKJV 5 does not behave rudely

Holman 5 does not act improperly

The word here is used when referring to sexual advances toward another, the heart of the word however is one of shame. Love does not behave in a way that is shameful. However, shame is also the eyes by which we often see others. Therefore, when we really dig into the text and understand the word and what it meant to the people of the day, we see that rude/shame/unseemly/dishonor/improper, are all trying to relay the idea that love is neither ashamed (because of forgiveness) nor does love know shame in others. Love goes to where we are, the mire and mess of our lives. It is not ashamed to go into the nasty places that sin takes us, because love does not know shame. Forgiveness brings that lack of shame, it reaches out to us and is offered before we even ask for it. So when we talk about the uncomely, the unjust and filthy people of this world, in our lives, what we are really talking about, is something in opposition to love.

You see, when we see people as unjust, filthy, uncomly, what we are seeing with is man's eyes. When we begin to see with the eyes of love, what we see if people who are loved by our Lord. People whose value is so great that Jesus came and died for them. Love, changes our situation and transforms our lives so that we can see the God who seeks to save us. And...love is not rude....

The commandment , "...whatsoever things are true, whatever things are noble,...just...pure...lovely...of good report...virtue...praiseworthy-think on these things." Comes to mind. The failings of others (at some level, works of the evil one), have all been destroyed at the cross. They are of no substantial consequence, and we can quickly move on, tarry on the commanded list above.

Which connects with "love thinks no evil" "Hopes all things." Did not the sinners who ate with our Lord feel His gaze on them, seeing through and past all the ways that they fell short of God's glory and their own dreams, to focus on the spark of hope of glory that remained? He did not quench that spark, but was wise to blow on it gently, brightening it, adding a bit of tinder, and viola, a new flame to replace the shame!

He tells me that everyone still breathing has, often buried unseen in ashes, such a spark. But, "he who is wise wins souls." "Lord give us such wisdom! Remember Your promise that 'If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask...and You will give liberally.'"

 

[Light hearted]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now, where God shows us He does not play favorites, your claim is that He is saying that He has no love for man at all....no wonder you think as the pagans that God is a god to be appeased rather than loved!!!! Ozell you need to read scripture for meaning. God is not like the pagan gods but rather, God is the God of love, the God of grace. It isn't what we do that finds favor.

Yes, I noticed the same thing. The verses quoted trying to show that God has no respect, is actually the opposite. They are refering to the idea that God shows no favoritism. Refering to rich or poor, fine clothes, or shabby clothes, ect. We are all equall in God's eyes to partake of Grace.

Grace, it's freely given. Right now there's no condition to recieve it. Just give in, and get filled up.

 

[ozell]

The Lord forgave the sinner and told her not to sin no more.

He gave this woman another command from his own mouth!!!

sin no more!!!

John 8:10-12
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.