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You guys, You're arguing with a straight up legalist. He always presents his form of Christianity as "you either do this or you are not a Christian." He's been doing this for a couple years now on here, but none of it means he actually knows Jesus any better than anyone else.
Isn't it sad that he has come to the point of arguing with folks on here what the love of Jesus is?
A Christian is someone who doesnt follow their self will, but the will of God, revealed to us through the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus tells us: "he who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me." and "he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me." A true Christian is not just a hearer, but a doer. Faith is dead without works. Jesus' love is enough for me and enough for anyone else. Because just by following Him, He redeems us to our God. Blessed and holy is the Lord who reigns forever and ever on His throne of glory!
why would you keep asking if your only intent is to refuse to listen to the definition? The entire bible is God's definition of love. But the best short definition I know is that love is putting another above self as an act of humility....my husband and I are taking a course right now, that defines love as giving another value rather than devaluing them, this is also a working definition. And yes, it is important to summarize the definition or else we would simple be quoting the entire bible in reply.the people in the flood where his children.
the people in sodom and gomorrah where his children.
the israelites who made the golden calf where his children.
what happen to these children of God?
what happen to God's love for these people as God burned, drowned or destroyed them and there family?
let me ask you this also even though i have posted it many times
what is Gods definition of Love?[
we love the Lord by many things, worship, praise, prayer, etc. but the one mark of our love for God that is unmistakable is our obedience of His commands.how do we love the lord?
Our love for one another is also marked by many things, in fact this is one place where I Cor. 13 comes in very handy, for love is patience, love is kind, etc. but the one unmistakable mark of love with one another is unity. This is not to say, love never disagrees, but rather that love united in Christ.how do we love one another?
Actually god gave the law, but that is a different topic.Jesus is a legalist, He gave the law.
There is a price to pay for following Jesus, not for being loved by Him.Of course there is condition. Do you really think the road to eternal life is easy? Who are we to think we are worthy of such an awesome gift from a pure, holy Almighty God? It is the grace of God.
"Narrow and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
-Jesus
For me, there is no higher honor than to live in the presence of such an awesome God for all eternity.
Jesus is a legalist, He gave the law.
Good point, I think we can turn this into love.....
I realize the difference of opinion of God or Jesus writing the law, I don't need to get into that. But just for the sake of discussion, lets say Jesus wrote the law.
Jesus wrote the law as Ozell says, yet we read elsewhere that no man has ever fulfilled the law. Remember, break one, you broke them all. Which leads to death.
Now we have the one, Jesus, the writer of the law, an unfulfillable law, for any motal man, comes to earth, born in the flesh, lives a perfect life, then at the end gives himself up to be tortured, beaten, and hung. All so mankind can have a chance of eternal live through the sacrifice of His life.
Wow, fulfilled His own law, yes, His own law, just for mankind, who is miserable to fulfill the law. If that aint Love, i don't know what is.
What's the condition....FAITH, faith that I am a sinner and he already paid my price. Yup, he loved me first, with no conditions.
Actually god gave the law, but that is a different topic.
There is a price to pay for following Jesus, not for being loved by Him.
why would you keep asking if your only intent is to refuse to listen to the definition? The entire bible is God's definition of love. But the best short definition I know is that love is putting another above self as an act of humility....my husband and I are taking a course right now, that defines love as giving another value rather than devaluing them, this is also a working definition. And yes, it is important to summarize the definition or else we would simple be quoting the entire bible in reply. we love the Lord by many things, worship, praise, prayer, etc. but the one mark of our love for God that is unmistakable is our obedience of His commands. Our love for one another is also marked by many things, in fact this is one place where I Cor. 13 comes in very handy, for love is patience, love is kind, etc. but the one unmistakable mark of love with one another is unity. This is not to say, love never disagrees, but rather that love united in Christ.
Now we have looked at the entire passage and you have denied what it says, so let's just look at the verse itself.
3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
Now Ozell, time to put your money where your mouth is....please take the above verse you are trying to use to support your claims and highlight for us where it says that God refuses to love the workers of iniquity and/or only loves those that obey HIM...your claim here is that we are missing the part of the verse that says that God only loves those that obey Him, so highlight the part we are missing. You were asked to do this before and refused...try again.
Ozell, repeating the same verse doesn't count, in fact, when we remove the repeats, you have hardly posted any scripture at all. As to what most people read, I guess that depends on whether you include the worldly or not. Most people who go to church and follow along in the sermon have read more verses and passages (different, unique verses and passages) than you have presented here and that is just with attending a church for a year.
ozell - Do you have any children? Well, I do. I love my children unconditionally. I have rules for my children - they don't always follow them but does that change my love for them? NO!
God is our heavenly Father. Sometimes we don't always follow His rules. Does that change His love for us? NO! His love is the same as our love for our children - its unconditional.
Ozell you're downplaying the eternal and complete atonement of the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
The world only feels the punishment of the original fall of man.
We dont get crushed by our sins. Not now. Not after Christ.
The wicked receive theirs after death.
the people in the flood where his children.
The people in the flood did not heed Noah when he was building the ark and telling them that it was going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights. So Noah believed God, they didn't, they paid the consequence.
the people in Sodom and Gomorrah where his children.
Did not God warn the people they would be destroyed if they continued in their evil ways. Do you realize what was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah? They were in total disobedience to God and had turned their backs on God therefore they paid the consequences.
the Israelites who made the golden calf where his children.
Did God explicitly tell the Israelites to worship no other God's before Him?
what happen to these children of God?
They all died in disobedience. Not because God did not love them.
what happen to God's love for these people as God burned, drowned or destroyed them and there family?
He still loved them.
let me ask you this also even though i have posted it many timesWith respect, compassion, longsuffering, honesty, being kind to one another, tenderhearted and with forgiveness.
what is Gods definition of Love?
God loved us so much that he gave his only begotten Son. That kind of love does not have a definition. Its too BIG!
how do we love the lord?
By reverence, honor and faith.
how do we love one another?
You guys, You're arguing with a straight up legalist. He always presents his form of Christianity as "you either do this or you are not a Christian." He's been doing this for a couple years now on here, but none of it means he actually knows Jesus any better than anyone else.
Isn't it sad that he has come to the point of arguing with folks on here what the love of Jesus is?
absolutely, and yet Jesus role, or job was different than God's....Jesus role or job as it were was to fulfill the law. Thus, God gave the law, Jesus fulfilled the law, the HS equips us to live according to the law. One God different jobs/purposesand Jesus is God!!!
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