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Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love. (3)

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every time I open the bible Jesus says love is this


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 5:2-4
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Romans 13:10
9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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that is because you have creased the pages rather than studying the entire bible
 
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Ozell,
How would you feel if you were not saved by the redemptive work of Jesus, and you read that every time you sought God you were told "God hates you, you have no future with Him, because He hates you since you're a worker of iniquity." ?

Read Mark 8:42
"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who trusts in me to lose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown in to the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck.

Obviously, you're not to discourage children, adults, whoever they may be, from calling out to God in faith, by saying "God hates you because you're a worker of iniquity" since you could extinguish their faith just as Mark 8:42 explains.

Stop. You could be causing others and yourself big trouble.

 
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Christownsme said:
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How would you feel if you were not saved by the redemptive work of Jesus, and you read that every time you sought God you were told "God hates you, you have no future with Him, because He hates you since you're a worker of iniquity." ?
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You'll have to discuss this from the standpoint that he is not saved. He does not have the Holy Spirit within him.

Follow his posts on other topics also. He does not believe in Jesus redemptive work. He still wants to follow the law to become righteous in God's eyes.

Realizing this, he is still a worker of iniquity. At one time before we were saved, we were all enemies of God. We are now saved, we are friends of God.

Ozell has not gone through this transition, he hasn't the capability to understand that God loves, and desires us to lower our pride, but many have pride beyond allowing God's love to penetrate their heart.

Last I knew, he didn't believe God would accually place the Holy Spirit within the human body. Of course he may have changed his mind since I last discussed it with him.

One that hasn't received love, cannot feel love is what it gets down to.
 
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Jesus said if ye love me keep my commamdments.this is my God words
Love is keeping Jesus laws his laws not my laws your laws or your denomination laws.
yuo all read what Jesus said, except it, what choice do u really have.
love is a condition and the condition is the commandments
 
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where are you getting you claims from?

Go back and read what i put concerning the HS. get your facts straight

Jesus said he that endureth unto the end the same shall be saved.

how are you saved when the end is not here?

how did you get special priviledge?

who told you that you are saved?

probally your denom.
 
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The highlighted part says, "If YOU love me, keep my commandments."


What Jesus is saying is different than what you're trying to say about some kind of conditional love on His part. First, the word YOU implies if humans love Jesus, we will keep His commandments. This is our love for Him, not His love for us!!!!!!! Has nothing to do with God's love. God doesn't say, "I will love you, if you keep my commandments."

He's talking about our new natured born-again response to us loving God - we will keep His commandments thru the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And these commandments aren't the ten, although it's knitted closely together. By loving God and one another, we fulfill the law (the OT commandments). It doesn't say, "Fulfill the law and the commandments and you will be loved by Me."

It's about the natural result of being born again and obeying God's love commands.

Funny thing is, not so funny really, you know all of this, Ozell. And you could possibly be willingly sinning or even blaspheming by saying that God's love for us depends on our observance of the commandments. God's love goes farther than what we can see. "My ways are above your ways, and my thoughts are above your thoughts."

And most of all, God's unconditional love caused Him to send Jesus to fulfill the righteousness for us and the death we deserved as workers of iniquity. You have no right or title to mess with tampering with the definition of love God is in His Being. You turn and twist things around, just like your father. He was a murderer in the beginning.
 
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1 John5v3
for this is the love of God, that we keep is commandments......

this is not hard to understand.

the rest of your post is irrelavant.

God love for us is based on us keeping his commandments.

go back and read it again

this is why i keep putting the same verses because for some reason people have selective blindness
 
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Now your changing your argument to LOVE IS A CONDITION? How can that be? How can something be a condition. Love could have a condition, but it cannot be a condition, shall we look at the definition of condition?
 
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ozell said:
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I've put more verses and scripture than most people read in a life time.
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Ozell, repeating the same verse doesn't count, in fact, when we remove the repeats, you have hardly posted any scripture at all. As to what most people read, I guess that depends on whether you include the worldly or not. Most people who go to church and follow along in the sermon have read more verses and passages (different, unique verses and passages) than you have presented here and that is just with attending a church for a year.
 
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Now we have looked at the entire passage and you have denied what it says, so let's just look at the verse itself.

3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

Now Ozell, time to put your money where your mouth is....please take the above verse you are trying to use to support your claims and highlight for us where it says that God refuses to love the workers of iniquity and/or only loves those that obey HIM...your claim here is that we are missing the part of the verse that says that God only loves those that obey Him, so highlight the part we are missing. You were asked to do this before and refused...try again.
 
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ozell - Do you have any children? Well, I do. I love my children unconditionally. I have rules for my children - they don't always follow them but does that change my love for them? NO!

God is our heavenly Father. Sometimes we don't always follow His rules. Does that change His love for us? NO! His love is the same as our love for our children - its unconditional.
 
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the people in the flood where his children.

the people in sodom and gomorrah where his children.

the israelites who made the golden calf where his children.

what happen to these children of God?

what happen to God's love for these people as God burned, drowned or destroyed them and there family?

let me ask you this also even though i have posted it many times

what is Gods definition of Love?

how do we love the lord?

how do we love one another?
 
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With respect, compassion, longsuffering, honesty, being kind to one another, tenderhearted and with forgiveness.
 
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Ok, you want to go thru your verses together? I'll help you.

John 14:15 - If you love me, keep my commandments.

This is about our love for God, not His love for us. Not part of your original post.

1John 5:2 - By this we know we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Again, this is about our love for God, not His love for us. Not part of your original post.

1John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

There is a mistake with your interpretation which is skewed:

"For this is the love of God,..." has it's original meaning in the Greek translated as "For this is the love from God which inspires us to love Him back..."

So, "For this is the love from God which inspires us to love Him back, that we keep his commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome."

So again, it's about our love for God, not God's love for us. It's about how God inspires us to love him back, not about how God can love us. Not part of the original post.



1John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world - our faith.

No complaints here. Except not part of the original post.

Romans 13:10 - Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

OK, notice Paul doesn't say "the fulfillment of the law is love." He says the opposite: loving God and one another, takes care of fulfilling the law.

Also, not a condition now that you read it right, makes it not part of the original post.

You need to really pray about these things, Ozell. You're in effect belittling the love Christ has for the sinner, which by definition is unconditional love, since he died for sin, which God said he "hated the workers of iniquity." This leads us only to assume that love outweighs the hate.
 
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You guys, You're arguing with a straight up legalist. He always presents his form of Christianity as "you either do this or you are not a Christian." He's been doing this for a couple years now on here, but none of it means he actually knows Jesus any better than anyone else.

Isn't it sad that he has come to the point of arguing with folks on here what the love of Jesus is?
 
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SelectedHypocrite said:
Man you guys put a lot of effort into arguing.

I cant believe yall would argue about this for over 2000 posts. Seriously?

I bet neither one of you has moved an inch from your original standpoints.
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why do u think we are argueing?

maybe u should understand that we can fellowship and not agree

understanding helps one realize that God changes that heart

understand this I have learned from the people on this thread on a better approach on teaching this subject.
understand this topic is a touchy topic but it bringd people to the forum and thread.
 
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