Jesus in India?

[evange]

Jesus was a carpenter.

 

[arunma]

It's unfortunate that a serious falsehood has been accepted, here. Krishna's name does not mean "annointed one." Even a Hindu here has admitted that it means "all-attractive." If anyone thinks otherwise, then please prove it from a Sanskrit dictionary.

 

[Abbadon]

Christos - Gr. for "annointed one", from the Heb. Mashiach "annointed (one)"

Krishna - Hind. for "black one" or "dark one"

My middle name, McCary, is actually closer, Cary being from a Scottish word for darkness. Namewise, I'm more comparable to Krishna there.

Jesus and the pre-Christian Iranian deity Mithras are more comparable to each other than Christ and Krishna. Both were regarded by thier religions as God and the Son of God, both were born of virgins, guarded by shepherds and magi, Mithra was born in a cave (and a good cave would have been used as a manger, if need be), both were crucified, buried, and rose from the dead three days later, both had sacraments of "flesh and blood" (really bread and wine), both Christ and Mithra were considered the "Logos" by thier religions, both religions participated in baptism.

Mithraism came from Zoroastrianism, and the Zoroastrian priests were the Magi - the wise men that predicted Christ's arrival on earth and brought gifts.

Christ and Krishna aren't as comparable as Christ and Mithra.

 

[Abbadon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna#The_name - This says the name means "black one" or "dark one", Arumna.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ - And for measure, the article on Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras - And an article on Mithras, though I was also going off of some encyclopedia articles I'd read at the library, and can't post links to.

 

[IronPillar]

"I tell you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." " Mathew;8:11


“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”John;.3:17,18

 

[srev2004]

Actually Christos is the greek word for Krishna. That's what Krishna was refered to as, when Alexander came to India.

 

[srev2004]

Jesus was a carpenter.

my apologies. It's hard to stay educated about numerous religions, let alone one.

 

[Abbadon]

Actually Christos is the greek word for Krishna. That's what Krishna was refered to as, when Alexander came to India.

Proves that Alexander the Great wasn't that great with languages. He went with a deity type word from his language that sounded like the name Krishna. The best Greek translation of the name Krishna would be along the lines of Melanos or Melanon, "Melan-" being the root word for dark.

BTW, Alexander the Great was a good while before Jesus, so he wasn't refering to Jesus Christ, he was refering to the generic word "annointed one".

 

[srev2004]

Proves that Alexander the Great wasn't that great with languages. He went with a deity type word from his language that sounded like the name Krishna. The best Greek translation of the name Krishna would be along the lines of Melanos or Melanon, "Melan-" being the root word for dark.

BTW, Alexander the Great was a good while before Jesus, so he wasn't refering to Jesus Christ, he was refering to the generic word "annointed one".

no Krishna means attraction, btw and the Greek word is because of mispronouncing it. Christos and Krishna. It evolved over the years. Actually Krishna itself is wrong the right pronounciation is Krsna.

 

[Arthra]

I don't see any connection between the words Krishna and Christ other than a superficial similarity in sound as above Krishna means dark while Christ means annointed. Christ was Greek word which doesn't really translate the Hebrew Messiah very well.

As to Zoroastrian Mithras it is linked to the older Vedic god Mitra.

Mithras was introduced to the Roman Legions and became a favorite of the Legionaires across the Roman Empire. However it was a "mystery" religion and it's rites were not public so it had some disadvantages.

Mithras was always a more mythological figure though than Jesus of the Gospels I think and associated with solar religion...

You can read more about Mithras at this site:

http://83.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MI/MITHRAS.htm

There's really nothing about Mithras being crucified and rising the third day as mentioned by Abbadon above in note #23 that I've been able to confirm.

- Art

 

[Skillganon]

It could mean he was very darked skin. The native Indian's are very dark people you know.

 

[peaceful soul]

It could mean he was very darked skin. The native Indian's are very dark people you know.

We are not interested in what it could mean (speculation). We want to know what it does mean. Given the fact that the two terms represent quite different things, it is not reasonable to suggest any similarities or equalities indicating a common point of relation.. Case closed!!!

 

[Gomez]

Actually Christos is the greek word for Krishna. That's what Krishna was refered to as, when Alexander came to India.

Any neutral sources for this?

 

[Gomez]

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As to Zoroastrian Mithras it is linked to the older Vedic god Mitra.

- Art

I heard Zoroastrianism and Vedic Hinduism are about the same age and have close similiarities. It's been thought that they both evolved from a common religion.

 

[srev2004]

I don't see any connection between the words Krishna and Christ other than a superficial similarity in sound as above Krishna means dark while Christ means annointed. Christ was Greek word which doesn't really translate the Hebrew Messiah very well.

As to Zoroastrian Mithras it is linked to the older Vedic god Mitra.

Mithras was introduced to the Roman Legions and became a favorite of the Legionaires across the Roman Empire. However it was a "mystery" religion and it's rites were not public so it had some disadvantages.

Mithras was always a more mythological figure though than Jesus of the Gospels I think and associated with solar religion...

You can read more about Mithras at this site:

http://83.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MI/MITHRAS.htm

There's really nothing about Mithras being crucified and rising the third day as mentioned by Abbadon above in note #23 that I've been able to confirm.

- Art

Krishna is the previous incarnate of Jesus, the ultimate manifestation of God had a diff life story than Jesus. Due to the similarities between both's ideologies, people think Krishna might be Jesus's Father the Lord. That is the basic theory, I myself am skeptical, but the word Christos is Krishna for sure, because it originated before the birth of Christ for one thing and it was the Greek word for Krishna used by Alexander.


[SIZE=+1]The name "Christ" means "annointed one". This is take from the Greek word "Christos". Some language historians trace the Greek language to the oldest Indo-European language, Sanskrit, which is 3,500 to 6,000 years old, perhaps older. By finding a Sanskrit equivilant, it is reasonable that we may be able to ascertain the probable origin of the word "Christ". The Greek "Christos" is almost identical in sound and spelling to the Sanskrit word "Krista", meaning all-attractive. Sometimes we meet a girl named Krista or Crystal.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1] These are common American names. The Sanskrit word "Krista" is a variation of the word KRISHNA, one of the countless and ancient names for God Almighty in that language. The name "Krishna" also means "all attractive". Who is the most attractive person? GOD, of course. Why is God a Person? It is written, "MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD." If we are persons, then logically, as our creator, God is the Supreme Person. Why is God called "All-attractive"? Because He has everything in full.... including power, fame, renunciation, wealth, personal beauty, and intelligence. Human beings may have some of these attributes in part. But God, as the Supreme Person, has everything in full, with no shortage in any way. No one possesses anything beautiful, intelligent, great, powerful or more opulently than God Almighty. Even the Atheists are attracted to the power of God Almighty, albeit, in a negative manner.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] We should ask, "What do Christ and Krishna have in commom? It is common knowlege that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Who he called "The Father". He referred to himself as the Son of God dozens of times, and to God the Father over 200 times in the New Testament. What is not generally known is that God has many names in many languages, not just a few Biblical names. One such name for God is Krishna. Initially, we may object, but when we think about this concept without anger, prejudice, or preconceived bias, we can logically conclude that God must have unlimited names, because God himself is unlimited, by the very definition of the word... "GOD". American Indians have names for the Holy Spirit. The Eskimos, the same. Muslims call God "Allah". People in all lands of the Earth have different names for God. If we contemplate this idea for a moment in silent prayer, then we can understand it's simple, obvious truth. There are countless names for God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Why irrationally object because of our own prejudicial feelings? God, being unlimited, must have unlimited names. This is the logical conclusion. One of these names for God is Krishna, the self-same Jehovah-God of the Holy Bible. Another name for God is Rama. In Hebrew, this truth is explained... "SHEMAH YISRAEL ADONOI ELOHENU ADONOI ECHAD"..."HEAR! O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE." We may want ot object, but God Is ONE, portrayed differently in different cultures and lands of the world by his different names and pastimes. Knowing this truth is the beginning of wisdom and inner peace, the initiation of our own personal mental healing, the casting out of our own "devils" of prejudice and of our unconscious hatred for others. Understanding that God is ONE for all people of the Earth implies; the eventual dissolution of our inner feelings of mistrust for others who seem different than ourselves, but whom Jesus taught us to love even as our very selves. God is ONE, and all human beings are family members.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] The Old Testament declares that by the Holy Name of the Lord one will be saved, and shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever. In this way, the individual is encouraged to take shelter of God's holy names. "Christ" indicates the Son of God. The name "Krishna" denotes God the Father, as in the Judeo/Christian reference to God. Christ or Krishna, the name is the same. Like Father, Like Son, as the old saying goes. We may conclude that the etymological derivation of the English world "Christ" is the Sanskrit word "Krishna". It is always advisable to chant and sing the holy names of Christ or Krishna. Catholic priests use the Greek name "Christos" freequently in hymns and while chanting prayers.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Many Christians also sing hymns, using the English translation "Christ". Franciscan monks and many other monastic sects use the Latin names "Jesu Christe" in Gregorian chants. Also, in India and now around the world, many worshippers of God sing the universal, non-sectarian names of "Krishna". There is no duality or spiritual conflict of interest. In this way, one may chant any of God's millions of names in devotion for protection, self purification and eventual liberation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Unfortunately, many people who believe in God waste much valuable time arguing about the 'correctness' of their own chosen religion. But 'correctness' is not the point, nor the goal, nor the final outcome of religion. Developing our love for God and others is the essential goal of all religious thought. The command of Jesus Christ, the spiritual master of the Christian world is, "Love the Supreme Lord with all your heart, soul and mind," and also, "Love your neighbor as your very own self." It is fairly obvious that the international neighbors of Christians are Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hare` Krishnas, etc. According to Christ's command, Christians do not need to quarrel with their neighbors of different religious persuasions, but simply love them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Such argumentative behavior was and is contrary and counterproductive to Jesus Christ's command, "Love thy neighbor." How can you fight with someone you are instructed to love by your spiritual master. Jesus never recommended such fighting, nor killing of others who were different, as has been an unfortunate part of Christian expansion and history. Jesus commanded his followers, "If you love only your own kind, then you are nor better than the common people and the sinners." In all Scriptures it is recommended to glorify the holy names of the Lord, and to treat others as you like to be treated yourself, the "GOLDEN RULE". In this way, there is no necessity to want to change anybody to be like ourselves. We are all certainly still spiritually growing, and in much need of understanding just what Jesus meant when he stated: "Love the Lord and love your neighbor." One may sing or glorify any of God's holy names. The Bible encourages us... "From sunrise to sunset, one should sing the praises of the holy names of the Lord." Similarly, the Vedic literatures encourage us to chant and sing...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] HARE` KRISHNA HARE` KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE`[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] HARE` HARE` RAMA HARE` RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE` HARE`[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Jesus healed others by the potencies of God's holy names. In this regard, Jesus states: "I have come to glorify the Father, and do nothing of my own accord." This was Jesus's personal sentiment, that everything depended upon God, the Father. He denied doing anything by his own power. We are all powerless without God's grace. Even Jesus Christ is powerless without the grace of God the "Father". If we sing and chant the holy names of the Son or the Father, the end result will be the same. Countless thousands have been healed an purfied over the centuries by the holy names of Jesus and Christ. In this world, calamities abound at every step. If somehow or other, we can learn to rely upon the holy names of Christ, Christos, Hare` Krishna, or Hare` Rama, then surely we will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. People who are different than ourselves deserve the same love and consideration that Jesus offered them when he taught us: "Love thy neighbor".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] Jesus commanded it of those who chose to be called his true followers. "If you love me, then follow my commandments." No one is superior to anyone else. Jesus never had such prejudicial feelings, and considered himself the servant of humanity. Jesus therefore commanded Christians to offer the same love and respect they wished for themselves to all others, whether they be Buddhists, Jews, Hare` Krishnas, Jesuit Monks, or Muslims. By taking shelter of the holy names of God, this love for God and respect for one and all can factually be acheived in a very short time. Thank you for your consideration of this short message of hope. May the Lord bless you and your family. [/SIZE]

 

[Gomez]

myself am skeptical, but the word Christos is Krishna for sure, because it originated before the birth of Christ for one thing and it was the Greek word for Krishna used by Alexander.

I still haven't seen a source for Alexander calling Krishnah "Christo".

Some language historians trace the Greek language to the oldest Indo-European language, Sanskrit, which is 3,500 to 6,000 years old, perhaps older.

Most language historians trace both sanskrit and greek to proto-indoeuropean language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language

I agree Sanskrit is an old language but it's been suggested that the age of sanskrit is 3500 BC - 1500 BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_language#Written_languages_and_literatures

By finding a Sanskrit equivilant, it is reasonable that we may be able to ascertain the probable origin of the word "Christ". The Greek "Christos" is almost identical in sound and spelling to the Sanskrit word "Krista.

There's words in every language that sound similiar to another language.
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Even the Atheists are attracted to the power of God Almighty, albeit, in a negative manner.

Hmmmm slightly off topic but I can tell you I have no attraction to the power of God because I don't think God exists.

 

[srev2004]

I still haven't seen a source for Alexander calling Krishnah "Christo".



Most language historians trace both sanskrit and greek to proto-indoeuropean language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language

I agree Sanskrit is an old language but it's been suggested that the age of sanskrit is 3500 BC - 1500 BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_language#Written_languages_and_literatures

There's words in every language that sound similiar to another language.
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Hmmmm slightly off topic but I can tell you I have no attraction to the power of God because I don't think God exists.

your attraction to God is through rejection. The subject of God and the rejection of God defines you as an Aitheist.

Please research that on your own. I don't have time to find a source for every one of your doubts.

Here is a brief link source tho.

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:[/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]CHRESTOS MITHRASpure, sacred, good, holy. (Roman meaning was interchangable: "good Mithras", or "holy Mithras") CHRIST HELIOS(Mandaean)
CHREISTOS OSIRIS(Alexandrian)

I'm just outlining the possibilty, you should draw you own conclusions. Please don't expect me to make you believe something.
[/FONT]

 

[Gomez]

your attraction to God is through rejection. The subject of God and the rejection of God defines you as an Aitheist.

I really have no attraction to God, but I do like learning about others beliefs. Actually, it's my disbelief that defines me as an atheist. If I were to reject God that would imply I think he exists.

Please research that on your own. I don't have time to find a source for every one of your doubts.

Here is a brief link source tho.

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:[/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]CHRESTOS MITHRASpure, sacred, good, holy. (Roman meaning was interchangable: "good Mithras", or "holy Mithras") CHRIST HELIOS(Mandaean)
CHREISTOS OSIRIS(Alexandrian)

I'm just outlining the possibilty, you should draw you own conclusions. Please don't expect me to make you believe something.
[/FONT]

I'm sure christos has a formerly pagan usgage. The Greeks were pagans before they were christians. I'm not expecting you to make believe somthing. We're just discussing a topic, but I apologize if I somehow offended you.

 

[srev2004]

I really have no attraction to God, but I do like learning about others beliefs. Actually, it's my disbelief that defines me as an atheist. If I were to reject God that would imply I think he exists.


I'm sure christos has a formerly pagan usgage. The Greeks were pagans before they were christians. I'm not expecting you to make believe somthing. We're just discussing a topic, but I apologize if I somehow offended you.

you are in no way offending me. Your belief is defined by the rejection of God, and that is the attraction to the subject of God. The fact that use God in a sentence is an attraction. A negative attraction though.

The Greeks and Indians had a lot of cultural exchange. The world's first universities were in India and the Greeks traveled there alot, until they were destroyed by the Mughals.

Well we can agree to disagree, then?

 

[Skillganon]

Srev, you can compare all you like the word Christ with Krishna, it still won't make sense.

First Christ is a latin word. Agreed? Yes.
Jesus never spoke Latin. Agreed? Yes.
The diciple of Jesus never spoke Latin. Agreed? Yes.
Now no one ever called Jesus by Christ when Jesus was living. Agreed? YEs.

Secondly Christ is the latinised word for "the anointed one" this term is reversed specially for Messiah. (messenger, as in God chosen one) or God's Messenger.
Now let’s take the name Messiah, word closer to what Jesus spoke, and compare it to the name Krishna?

Messiah & Krishna? No Simmilarity!

Thank’s.