Jesus in Genesis 3

[25R]

Hey,

In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden. I've read that many times, but just now wondered about it. Since God the father is spirit, Was it Jesus that walked in the garden? Or am I making this more complicated than necessary?

 

[Mark_Sam]

Well, the Word had yet to be incarnated (John 1:1; 14), so I think that is indifferent. Jesus didn't have a physical body until He was conceived in Mary's womb, as witnessed by the angel Gabriel (Luke 1:26-38).

Maybe He was present in a way we cannot understand due to Original Sin? A Theophany? Was it the Father, or the Son, or the entire Godhead (Father, Son and Spirit) who was in the garden? The text doesn't speak clearly of what is meant by "God walking in the garden in the cool of the day" (Genesis 3:8), so I would trouble my mind on it.

That being said, we see a lot of Jesus in Genesis 3:

*Adam and Eve were ashamed when they discovered that they were naked (v.7);
Jesus was put almost naked on the cross, to take away their shame and guilt.
*The offspring in v.15 talks about a man (the Messiah) who will crush the snake (Devil).
*Thorns and thistles were the result of Adam's sin (v.18); Jesus wore a crown of thorn (Matthew 27:29).
*In v.21, God covers Adam and Eve with the garments of skins, covering them; Christ sacrificed Himself to cover their sin.

 

[Jpark]

They heard footsteps. Could have been a preincarnate Christ.

That being said, we see a lot of Jesus in Genesis 3:

*Adam and Eve were ashamed when they discovered that they were naked (v.7);
Jesus was put almost naked on the cross, to take away their shame and guilt.
*The offspring in v.15 talks about a man (the Messiah) who will crush the snake (Devil).
*Thorns and thistles were the result of Adam's sin (v.18); Jesus wore a crown of thorn (Matthew 27:29).
*In v.21, God covers Adam and Eve with the garments of skins, covering them; Christ sacrificed Himself to cover their sin.

This.

Here's more:

*The ground was cursed in place of Adam. Jesus was cursed in place of them.
*Adam was tempted and ensnared. Jesus was tempted and emerged victorious.

 

[Simonline]

Hey,

In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden. I've read that many times, but just now wondered about it. Since God the father is spirit, Was it Jesus that walked in the garden? Or am I making this more complicated than necessary?

Firstly, it is the entire One Tri-Personal Divine Creator [Father, Son and Holy Spirit] Who Eternally and Immutably Exists as Spirit (Jn.4:24) and not just Two of the Three Divine Persons (the Father and the Holy Spirit).

Secondly, it wasn't the Son, incarnate as the Messiah (i.e. Jesus of Nazareth) who walked with Adam in the garden of Eden since, unlike His Father, Jesus' mother (Mary) isn't Eternal and therefore Jesus could not possibly have existed before His own mother?!

Thirdly, It was the Son [the Second Person of the One Tri-Personal Divine Creator] who walked with Adam in the Garden of Eden, just not as the incarnate human creature Jesus of Nazareth (see the previous paragraph). The Old Testament manifestations of God as a human creature are called 'theophanies' and they are distinct from the Incarnation. That is because a theophany is God appearing like a man whilst actually Existing as God (an act that is repeatable...before the Incarnation God could appear as a theophany as many times as He wanted) whereas the Incarnation is God appearing as a man because He now also exists as a man as well as Existing as God and the Incarnation is a one-off historical event that CANNOT EVER be repeated. Once God has come into existence as the Messiah/Christ, the human creature Jesus of Nazareth, He will NEVER stop existing as the Messiah/Christ, the human creature Jesus of Nazareth (it's permanent) even whilst He also continues to exist as the Divine Creator, YHWH.

Hope this clarifies things?

Simonline.

 

[Simonline]

Well, the Word had yet to be incarnated (John 1:1; 14), so I think that is indifferent. Jesus didn't have a physical body until He was conceived in Mary's womb, as witnessed by the angel Gabriel (Luke 1:26-38).

Maybe He was present in a way we cannot understand due to Original Sin? A Theophany? Was it the Father, or the Son, or the entire Godhead (Father, Son and Spirit) who was in the garden? The text doesn't speak clearly of what is meant by "God walking in the garden in the cool of the day" (Genesis 3:8), so I would trouble my mind on it.

That being said, we see a lot of Jesus in Genesis 3:

*Adam and Eve were ashamed when they discovered that they were naked (v.7);
Jesus was put almost naked on the cross, to take away their shame and guilt.
*The offspring in v.15 talks about a man (the Messiah) who will crush the snake (Devil).
*Thorns and thistles were the result of Adam's sin (v.18); Jesus wore a crown of thorn (Matthew 27:29).
*In v.21, God covers Adam and Eve with the garments of skins, covering them; Christ sacrificed Himself to cover their sin.

The Messiah, upon the cross, would have been completely naked. He is only depicted as wearing a loincloth in religious art so as not to offend peoples' religious sensibilities but it would not have been that way in real life. The Romans did not make concessions for peoples' religious sensibilities.

Simonline.

 

[Seve]

Hey,

In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden. I've read that many times, but just now wondered about it. Since God the father is spirit, Was it Jesus that walked in the garden? Or am I making this more complicated than necessary?

CORRECT!!!

Genesis 1 uses the word "Elohim" for God, but in Genesis 2:4 Scripture uses the word "YHWH" for God the Creator. Elohim is a Plural Name and means The Judges. YHWH is a singular name and is the name of the LORD.

The LORD is called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The LORD is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. He is the Image or Physical Incarnation of God the Father who is a Spirit which no man hath seen at anytime nor His name been revealed to anyone at this time.

YHWH or Jesus is the Only God you will ever See. He was sent into this world and made flesh to save us from our sins.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

The Messiah, upon the cross, would have been completely naked. He is only depicted as wearing a loincloth in religious art so as not to offend peoples' religious sensibilities but it would not have been that way in real life. The Romans did not make concessions for peoples' religious sensibilities.

Simonline.

Perhaps, the poster don't realize that during that specific time period ... people already wears clothings to cover themselves and hide their behinds from each other. Also, history will tell you that don't walk around naked and have already developed "shame" and "sensibilities" which is part of our human nature inherited from our ancestors.


Only willingly ignorant stumble to this truth.

 

[Alan Hooker]

Genesis 1 uses the word "Elohim" for God, but in Genesis 2:4 Scripture uses the word "YHWH" for God the Creator. Elohim is a Plural Name and means The Judges. YHWH is a singular name and is the name of the LORD.

The word אלהים means "gods" or "divinity"; it does not mean "judges".

In Genesis 2, it is not only YHWH which is used. Genesis 2 uses the dual name יהוה אלהים, "YHWH-Elohim".

Alan

 

[Hismessenger]

Jesus was all through Genesis and the old testament. The one incident with sticks out at this moment was when the three travelers came to see Abraham about Sodom and
Gomorrah. Two left but the third stayed to talk with Abraham. That was Jesus taking on the appearance of flesh but not yet manifested in the flesh. We can know this to be true because he is called Lord. Whenever it is speaking of Christ in the old testament it says Lord. But when it speaks of the Father it says Lord God. Look it up and see what you come to understand about it.

hismessenger

 

[virgilio]

Hey,

In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden. I've read that many times, but just now wondered about it. Since God the father is spirit, Was it Jesus that walked in the garden? Or am I making this more complicated than necessary?

Hey 25R greetings,
I think this following passages clarify it all. Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God – the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come – the All-Powerful! In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.The Word was with God in the beginning.All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created. John 1:1-3 And Jesus Christ existed before Abraham is born John 8:58 because he was In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind.

Thanks and God bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[Simonline]

The word אלהים means "gods" or "divinity"; it does not mean "judges".

In Genesis 2, it is not only YHWH which is used. Genesis 2 uses the dual name יהוה אלהים, "YHWH-Elohim".

Alan

OK, lets go back one step further. What is a 'god'? The non-religious, non-theological definition of a 'god' is 'one having authority and/or power over another' and the degree to which the 'one' has authority and/or power over the 'other' is the degree to which the 'one is 'god' over the 'other'.

Thus judges can be gods since by definition they have authority and or power over others but they are only gods in a finite, relative sense. Their authority and/or power is derived from another. There is only One Who has absolute authority and power over all others and He is YHWH which is why He is distinguished from all other finite gods with a capital G.

Simonline.