Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[2Timothy2:15]

Could you provide a citation?

John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed in Him, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

Because then they would have to follow the word and lay down their phony titles and false authority.

 

[Blade]

"Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, "

WHERE did you get this? Well when Jesus walked this earth..there was no Church. And then "Jesus held the idea"?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Paul rebuked Peter for not living inline with the gospel. The gospel was first spoken by God in the Garden. See Gen 3:15.

 

[The Times]

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[2Timothy2:15]

"Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, "

WHERE did you get this? Well when Jesus walked this earth..there was no Church. And then "Jesus held the idea"?

If you are going to quote someone quote them correctly. You left out the main point which is the end of the OP statement;

"is the ultimate authority for the believer"

 

[The Times]

Paul rebuked Peter for not living inline with the gospel. The gospel was first spoken by God in the Garden. See Gen 3:15.

Scripture is the Law and the Prophets, to be regarded as a constitutional monarchy document of the commonwealth of Israel, until the consummation of time itself, according to Jesus.

The fact remains that people in the great falling away, are rebelling and rejecting the constitutional document and are teaching others to reject it as well.

I would kindly remind all that in the last days this is expected, where people replace the truth of the Garden for a lie, in order to conform to the TRENDING ways of the world.

 

[The Times]

What is being attacked here is Christ's Constitutional Document, that is the Law and the Prophets.

If people regard the constitutional documents of their religious institutions and/or governments more so than the Holy Writings (Sola Scripture), then they are endorsing another worldly kingdom, aside from Christ's Monarchy. This AntiChristos paradigm is also expected, where a worldly kingdom is being put as a replacement to Christ's.

All I will say, because we fight not against flesh and blood.....

God rebuke you Satan! God rebuke you!

 

[redleghunter]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

Yes Jesus did hold to the idea that scripture is the ultimate authority.

He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Mt. 5:17-18; 8:17; 12:40-42; Lk. 4:18-21; 10:25-28; 15:29-31; 17:32; 24:25-45; Jn. 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.”

The apostles quoted 209 times from the Old Testament and considered it “the oracles of God.”

Handy chart here too:

A list of Old Testament books quoted by Jesus and other New Testament writers.

Rolling count here:

O.T. Quotations Found in the N.T.

It would seem Jesus Christ and His apostles were quite the "scroll thumpers."

Study here:

Old Testament in the New Testament, the - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online

And a good sermon linked below on the subject.


https://www.gty.org/library/sermons...ic-preaching-of-christ-from-the-old-testament

 

[AarontheStudent]

Paul rebuked Peter for not living inline with the gospel. The gospel was first spoken by God in the Garden. See Gen 3:15.

Key word: spoken. Paul wasn't referring to scripture. The New Testament wasn't even compiled or written in its entirety yet.

While the gospel may begin with Genesis, Paul was certainly referring to what was then the spoken gospel of the life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus admitted that he adhered to scripture.

Remember that scripture is the testimony of the Law and the Prophets. Jesus said the scriptures, meaning the Law and Prophets testify of him (John 5:39)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

To Jesus the Law and the Prophets is a constitutional document of his Monarchy, that is the Law and the Prophets and Jesus as the Last Prophet, who is the Christ penned the last of the constitutional monarchy document, hence the last book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

If people don't consider the Holy scripture as the final penned constitutional document of the commonwealth of Israel, then they are not of the Kingdom of Christ, who is our Crowned Monarch.

It would be like people rejecting the constitutional document and wanting to think to change the times and laws of God.

Your statement is preposterous, where you state...



If you say that Jesus doesn't endorse his constitutional document of his Monarchy, then are you unwittingly calling Jesus before people, a liar and a fraud?


I call you out, because I am of Ancient Semitic bloodline, who can smell rotten eggs with my huge crooked nose. So please don't put one sentence arguments, that my huge nose can sniff out.

Jesus used scripture. No one disputes that.

The burden of proof is on you to prove he taught sola scriptura. So far that hasn't been met in this thread. Everything instead points to the fact he didn't.

Your personal insults and appeal to authority over your bloodline (which I happen to share) are completely irrelevant to the thread.

Again, the thread isn't about whether sola scriptura is a correct doctrine or not. I will not entertain your insults or fallacious reasoning any longer. Stick to the topic.

 

[dqhall]

Scripture doesn't cover every eventuality. So there is a need for the priests and elders to interpret apply some interpretive principles and to make rulings.

This leads to the question, what are the interpretive principles?

The Jewish Talmud is a record of the interpretations of the laws of Moses as given by scribes and teacher's of the law. There were at least 39 types of work that were not allowed on the Sabbath. There were volumes of interpretation of the law as was known before the end of the third century, even from before the time of Jesus ministry.

As for sola sciptura, Jesus used authority from his father to do miracles. Merely quoting scripture is not enough to make the blind see.

 

[redleghunter]

Does Jesus have any authority?

I would say of course that He does, indeed that authority only exists insofar as it is founded in His authority, but your line of reasoning seems to suggest that He doesn't. For if Jesus only justified His teaching via scriptural citations, wouldn't that mean that He had no authority beyond what scripture granted Him?

Jesus's authority was demonstrated in word and power.

 

[redleghunter]

But beyond that, whose name is it that every knee will bend to? The Bible's? Or Jesus's?

Very good point. However, how do we know the above quote?

 

[redleghunter]

You are operating under a bizarre notion that if anyone quotes scripture, then he treats scripture as the sole authority on everything.

The thing is, the very example of the temptation in the desert that you are pointing to disproves this notion. For Satan also appealed to scripture, but certainly you are not suggesting that Satan holds scripture as the ultimate authority?

I think @jimmyjimmy has a point here.

Jesus as an itinerant traveling Rabbi stood in opposition to the magisterial authority of His time on earth. He opposed those in the seat of Moses.

 

[The Times]

Jesus used scripture. No one disputes that.

The burden of proof is on you to prove he taught sola scriptura. So far that hasn't been met in this thread. Everything instead points to the fact he didn't.

Do you regard Holy Scripture as your constitutional document of the commonwealth of Israel and of our Crowned Monarch of Israel Jesus Christ?

You either do or you don't, there is no ifs or buts.

 

[The Times]

Jesus's authority was demonstrated in word and power.

You are certainly right, he demonstrated the Law and the Prophets through God's constitutional document, the Holy Writ.

 

[redleghunter]

Here's Jesus practicing Sacred (oral) Tradition:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,* saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

Where did the chair go?

Same place as the keys?

Recommend reading the remainder of Matthew 23.

 

[redleghunter]

Whether or not they are in agreement depends on interpretation. Jews were bound to obey the ruling of the priests and elders. Disobedience to the priests and elders was not justifiable based on an individual's interpretation.

Jesus in Matthew 23 is clearly showing the disciples the seat of Moses as delivered in Torah is to be obeyed.

Then He uses the remainder of the chapter pointing out those currently in the seat of Moses are corrupt and hypocrites.

Nothing wrong with the chair but those sitting on it.

 

[The Times]

Jesus in Matthew 23 is clearly showing the disciples the seat of Moses as delivered in Torah is to be obeyed.

Then He uses the remainder of the chapter pointing out those currently in the seat of Moses are corrupt and hypocrites.

Nothing wrong with the chair but those sitting on it.

Hear! Hear!

And especially in these wicked times that we all live in!

 

[AarontheStudent]

The real question is: why would Jesus teach sola scriptura to a largely illiterate audience?

The apostles themselves were mostly illiterate. He taught them to spread the gospel through word of mouth.