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We need to quit getting addicted to the excitement of fear, sin, and sinful thoughts, some, many do not think they realize that it can be like a addiction, as many of our sinful thoughts and behaviors can, even chemically in the brain...Let's put it another way.
If you feared hell by breaking commandments, every time a sinfull thought came into your head you would get, nervous, agitated, worked up, overwrought etc.
They are all dictionary definitions if the word excite. So you then, strange as it may seem, get excited when sinfull thoughts come to you.
That's not just quoting the letter if scripture you see.
Death being a necessary first step in being born again and in being able to accept and understand the gospel of grace...Hence:
When we were controlled by the sinfull nature, the sinfull passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies bringing forth fruit for death
It wasn't. King David understood the truth.I'm trying to solve why the law was designed by God to be that way, and trying to connect it to the good news of the gospel of grace...
David did not obey the law all his life, if he really even obeyed it at all, David knew about (God's) Love covering sin(s), he also still saw the law as the target or mark to hit or meet, in this he delighted in, grace (God's grace and mercy and love) is in between the beginning and end, which is the law...It wasn't. King David understood the truth.
He loved God, and knew he was secure in Gods love for him. He delighted in obeying Gods laws because he lived him. NOaT in order to earn his way to heaven
For David knew, no one was truly righteous before God:
Do not bring your servant into judgement, for no onw living us righteous before you
Psalms143:2
The phariseeical attitude was the problem.
Obey the law to be righteous before before God. If you don't obey the letter you will be condemned to hell. What was the result in their own lives if such thinking?
They were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean on the inside( Matt ch23
YesDavid did not obey the law all his life, if he really even obeyed it at all, David knew about (God's) Love covering sin(s), he also still saw the law as the target or mark to hit or meet, in this he delighted in, grace (God's grace and mercy and love) is in between the beginning and end, which is the law...
That would be up to the Spirit would it not?Bolded above. To what extent?
Examples?Even something that is technically, theologically true can be divisive, heretical and counter to the Spirit when used in the wrong way at the wrong time.
The totality of scripture taken as whole is (or will be) about, or is, the (good news of) the "gospel of (the) grace" (of God)...
This is why teachers and believer's in law, just don't get it...
God Bless!
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”Examples?
Good points. It's interesting to note, people accepted by the NT church as believers wanted gentile converts to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses( Acts ch15:5) Then at the other end of the spectrum was the Apostle Paul. In fact, there could be said to be two different sets of rules running at the same time. Many Jewish Christians were observing Jewish laws, while Gentiles were only asked to observe four, three of which it is widely believed were given to appease Jewish legalists who had become Christians.Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19)
I would also suggest that the same sort of allowance applies for slavery, capital punishment, war and even issues such as racial distinctions as taught Biblically in the OT that do not reflect the original and complete Truth of God.
I was not clear enough. What examples facing the church today?Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19)
I would also suggest that the same sort of allowance applies for slavery, capital punishment, war and even issues such as racial distinctions as taught Biblically in the OT that do not reflect the original and complete Truth of God.
I have encountered a number of occasions where the truth about a situation was that a brother was incorrect in the way that they were living (concerning drug use, anger issues, sexual behaviour etc). Where one could have bludgeoned them to death with the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth about these things.I was not clear enough. What examples facing the church today?
You speak of a pastoral type of care bringing a brother back. I agree these are very delicate situations and much care and Christian love are in order.I have encountered a number of occasions where the truth about a situation was that a brother was incorrect in the way that they were living (concerning drug use, anger issues, sexual behaviour etc). Where one could have bludgeoned them to death with the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth about these things.
However, lead by the Spirit, an approach that focuses on a partial revelation in the interests of building a relationship with the Truth is observed to be a whole lot more effective in bringing unity, Love, good fruit and, yes, Truth to the situation.
Yes and Truth in accordance with His Spirit.You speak of a pastoral type of care bringing a brother back. I agree these are very delicate situations and much care and Christian love are in order.
We know that the Pharisees taught scripture that is true. But we also know they added to scripture. They had a whole list of things they added on to the law. And you are right in that they didn't practice what they preached, Jesus was pretty clear on that.Moses wrote:
And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God as he has commanded us, this will be our righteousness
Deut6:25
In Matt 23:2-4 Jesus states the Pharisees did not practice what they preached. They tied up heavy loads on the people and they crushed them with their demands.
This cannot possibly be referring to their man made rules, for they faultlessly obeyed them. It regards what they preached but did NOT practice. Therefore it concerns the law given at Sania.
The Pharisees preached obedience to the law in order to be righteous before God/ to Inherit eternal life. Moses stated the same thing in deut 6:25.
So how did the Pharisees err in what they preached? And how, by endorsing what Moses stated did they weigh the people down and crush them with what they placed on their shoulders?
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