Jesus has no DNA from Mary

[EastCoastRemnant]

I can't .
But a lot of problems arise for over thousands of years around the problems of Sinless Mary and worshipping Mary...
This is my suggestion with the enligthenment of recent science discovery

Nowhere in scripture does it imply that Mary was sinless...

 

[Rubiks]

What was the authors purpose in listing the geneology if it had no relation to Jesus?

Both genealogies link Jesus to Joseph, not Mary.

 

[topher694]

Perhaps God's DNA has the power to heal Mary's DNA when it comes in contact with it.

Perhaps having one parent with perfect DNA masks the imperfect DNA.

Perhaps God in the flesh can be sinless even without perfect DNA.

And most of all:
Perhaps God is smarter than us and we don't have the capacity to understand what happened completely, AND we don't need to, to love Him and trust in Him.

 

[Rubiks]

Nowhere in scripture does it imply that Mary was sinless...

Mary was an unbeliever.

Mark 3:32-35 (NRSV) A crowd was sitting around him; and they said to him, “Your mother and your brothers and sisters are outside, asking for you.” And he replied, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” And looking at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother.”

 

[Sanoy]

Both are from the line of David

So why list both Parents geneologies? And why go back further than David? There has to be a reason why the authors did this.

 

[Silverback]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

Christ was fully God, and fully man, if you say he has no DNA, then you are subtracting from his humanity. He had blood, He had breath, he had pain, temptation, hunger, thirst. He was human in every sense except for sin.

 

[Sanoy]

Both genealogies link Jesus to Joseph, not Mary.

Maybe. The genealogical interpretations are certainly contested. But without a genealogy for a blood mother how can it be established that He was a prince in the line of David.

 

[TuxAme]

Where did Jesus get His human DNA and nature from if not from Mary?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Noone can prove it.
But I am suggesting a way to solve the long term problem of perfect Jesus and "Sinless Mary " .

It's not a 'solution'.

If Jesus is not related to us biologically we are not saved. If Mary was not the biological mother of Jesus we don't have Jesus as a brother.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I can't .
But a lot of problems arise for over thousands of years around the problems of Sinless Mary and worshipping Mary...
This is my suggestion with the enligthenment of recent science discovery

Sinless Mary is not a problem needing a solution. Worshiping Mary is just wrong, as any Catholic would tell you. The solution there is not to worship Mary. Solved.

 

[Foxfyre]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

Since the Scriptures are pretty specific that Jesus was God who became one of us, i.e. human for a time so that he experienced everything humans experience, The miracle was the conception by the Holy Spirit, not that God created a whole new Adam out of the dust of the ground. If Jesus was fully human and fully divine, I think there had to be a human aspect in there. I think it is pretty safe to think that Jesus had Mary's DNA during his time on Earth.

Galatians 4:4-5 4But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

Nice Heresy. There has been nearly 2 millennia worth of Christian teaching stating that Jesus is both "true God and True Man". There is one passage that especially points to the need of this fact.

Romans 5:
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— sin is not counted where there is no law. like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.


But i think saint Athanasius said it best, "For that which He has not assumed He has not healed; but that which is united to His Godhead is also saved".

Christ had to take on our humanity to save it, that is why a Messiah was promised way back in Genesis! (Well that and a few other reasons such as God loves us and always wanted to be with us etc.). But any way, Christ would not be "True Man", unless he was born of Mary, and he could not heal the lineage of Adam unless he was part of it. Making Him a New Creation purely by the Holy Spirit would mean he was not of Adam's lineage!
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[BCsenior]

No , What I mean is Jesus has perfect complete DNA created by Holy Spirit not from any sinners (including Mary )

Yes, yes, of course ... that's what we're talking about.

 

[His student]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Non sense. The scriptures say no such thing.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

The sinlessness of Mary (her immaculate conception) is a heresy plain and simple. The scriptures make it clear from the start that Jesus was to be the Savior of Mary as well as the rest of mankind.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier. Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

You are likening the creation of the Son of Man to that of one first created in a Petri dish and then placed temporarily in the womb of a woman.

If this were true - the doctrine of the hypostatic union would be stated that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully Petri dish. He could only die vicariously for the sins of the Petri dishes of the world - not for the sins of the human race.

He's the "Son of Man" - His favorite title for Himself. He is not the "Son of Petri dishes".

But putting aside all jokes about Petri dishes and taking your meaning as being that the Lord was created out of thin air just as the first Adam was created out of the dust of the earth - your position is not only unsupported by the scriptures - it undermines the entire basis for the vicarious/substitutionary death burial and resurrection of the Savior of all men and especially of those who believe. 1 Timothy 4:10

By the way - Hebrews 2:11 says clearly that "both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers."

 

[☦Marius☦]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

This premise makes no sense. Why even have a mother if not to take flesh directly from her (as scripture says). He could have just come down as a fully formed man. The entire point of Christ's incarnation was taking on full human nature, including our sinfulness, and defeating it. Mary didn't need to be perfect, she just needed to submit and let God do what needed to be done.

 

[☦Marius☦]

I can't .
But a lot of problems arise for over thousands of years around the problems of Sinless Mary and worshipping Mary...
This is my suggestion with the enligthenment of recent science discovery

In literally only one Church. Even the early Catholic Church didn't believe in the immaculate conception, it wasn't an accepted concept until years after the great schism. Traditionally Christians believed Mary became sinless through perfect denial of self will and complete submission to God. She still needed a savior though because she had still committed sin and was guilty because of this.

Your "solution" still doesn't explain how Christ could have lived as Mary's son, having to obey her to obey the law- if she wasn't sinless at some point. Why? Because lets just say Mary had asked Christ to do something even slightly wrong, he would have had to have chosen to either break the law by disobeying her, or break the law by obeying her. Most early Fathers believe she was in full submission to God around 7 while she was still living in the temple.

 

[redleghunter]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

How do you know all of this? Jesus is fully human as well as fully God.

His blood line had to come from a human.

 

[hedrick]

The OP seems to be assuming that our DNA is somehow the cause of sin, so that new different DNA is needed. But if he obeyed because his DNA is different, that makes Jesus' obedience no accomplishment, and irrelevant to us.

 

[chilehed]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

And you are infallible in this idea you have, right?

 

[Dave G.]

I can't .

Oh. Well then that's all I need to know about your theory.