Jesus has broken the Sabbath

[Yekcidmij]

Moses wrote the law of Moses Deut 31:24-26 Exo 34:27

Ex 34:27 does not use the term "Law of Moses" - that's your interpretation and imposition on what the text says. What Ex 34:28 does call itself is the "ten commandments;" this is undeniable. The list of "ten commandments" in Ex 34:28 is the list of commands God just told Moses in Ex 34:11-26. It's the same list God tells Moses to write down in Ex 34:27 and the same list that Moses writes down in Ex 34:28.

There is no need to hop around to random texts to interpret this and no need to import things into the text. What I'm giving is a clear, contextual, literary reading of Ex 34.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ten Commandments
Ex 34:27 does not use the term "Law of Moses" - that's your interpretation and imposition on what the text says. What Ex 34:28 does call itself is the "ten commandments;" this is undeniable. The list of "ten commandments" in Ex 34:28 is the list of commands God just told Moses in Ex 34:11-26. It's the same list God tells Moses to write down in Ex 34:27 and the same list that Moses writes down in Ex 34:28.

There is no need to hop around to random texts to interpret this and no need to import things into the text. What I'm giving is a clear, contextual, literary reading of Ex 34.

Because not all the context is always crammed into one verse (why the Bible is thousands of pages) Exo 34:1 gives the explicit context of who was writing on stone Exo 34:28, and it wasn't Moses. We are told Moses wrote the other laws in a book Deut 31:24-26 Exo 34:27

There are two main laws- the Ten Commandments placed inside the ark of the Covenant Exo 40:20 that God alone wrote Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 engraved in stone by His own finger , and the law of Moses, handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark written in a book Deut 31:24-26. Two different laws that serve different purposes that scripture reveals if properly understanding the differences.

Scripture absolutely calls the laws Moses wrote the law of Moses, which is everything except the Ten Commandments- because God takes credit for His work, not Moses Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 and God calls the Ten "My commandments" Exo 20:6 and My covenant Deut 4:13

Examples of the law of Moses
Luke 2:22 When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord

1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about?

There are no purification laws or anything written about muzzling an ox in God's Ten Commandments-

Guess we will have to agree to disagree- all gets sorted out soon enough, but I think it's a serious disservice to give our divine Heavenly Father’s work credit to a human-being, not something Moses even accepts credit for. Exo 32:16

 

[Icyspark]

Context should always be over ones flow. Especially if it explicitly states something different

Exo 34:1 And the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.

Exo 34:28 So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

God personally wrote the second tablets exactly as the first- Deut 10:4 God wrote not Moses. One set of Words on the Ten Commandments, placed inside the ark of the Covenant Exo 40:20 not two, found in Exo 20. Re-wrote and reviewed in Exo 34 along with some of the laws Moses wrote down in a book Exo 34:27 Deut 31:24-26

God doing (Creator) should be elevated over man doing.(creation) At least it is for me. Jesus tells us not to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 5:19-30 because He wants our hearts close to Him and when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God again quoting directly from the Ten, He says ones heart is far from Him, Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 the opposite of the New Covenant. Heb 8:10

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Sometimes it's just mind boggling how people can read something and ignore everything it says and then attempt to make it say something completely opposite. It's like God tells Moses, "Cut out two tablets of stone. Haul them all the way back to the top of the mountain. Don't forget to bring a hammer and chisel because you're going to rewrite everything I previously wrote with my finger."

I applaud your efforts.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Sometimes it's just mind boggling how people can read something and ignore everything it says and then attempt to make it say something completely opposite. It's like God tells Moses, "Cut out two tablets of stone. Haul them all the way back to the top of the mountain. Don't forget to bring a hammer and chisel because you're going to rewrite everything I previously wrote with my finger."

I applaud your efforts.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Icy!

It is mind boggling. I would like to see a human try to write anything on stone with their own finger, that would be a neat trick and no mention of a chisel and hammer.

The bible is so explicit, there are some areas hard to understand, who wrote the Ten Commandments is not one of them. What really gets me are those who claim Jesus broke the Sabbath, but then in the same breath claim He is perfect and never sinned. Like you said, another jesus, another gospel. It's sad truly, but it restores my faith because people know exactly what they are doing, its not like they can say they were deceived, when the bible and Jesus is so clear. John 14:15

Hope you have a good Preparation Day and Happy Sabbath. I appreciate your excellent posts!

God bless.

 

[Icyspark]

John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

I am aware that most commentators are of the opinion that Jesus did not break the Sabbath and that the Jews had falsely accused him, but if you look at it more closely, the Jews were actually right in their accusation that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Reason:
The law says you shall not bear any burden on the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:21-22). That this commandment is to be understood in exactly this way can be seen from the fact that God had a man stoned to death for carrying only wood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Jesus broke this commandment by commanding the healed man to carry his bed (John 5:10-11). The Jews were right in their accusation in this regard. And the clear proof that Jesus broke the Sabbath lies in the fact that John the author of the Gospel agrees with this in verse 18. If Jesus had not broken the Sabbath, he would not have expressed himself in this way but would have made it clear that the Jews were lying.

The reason why Jesus broke the ceremonial commandments like the Sabbath was not because he was a sinner for he is sinless but because he wanted to show that these commandments are to be understood spiritually. The Sabbath was never to be the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was Jesus Christ, who is the true rest in which we should enter, as Paul said. Paul also said that God never wanted animal sacrifices, but that the true sacrifice is Jesus. The Old Testament is only a shadow, the New Testament is the fulfilment and the reality.

Hi Emun,

I tried to engage with you on your thread, but since you're not responding I went ahead and started my own thread in response to the outrageous nonsense you've started here.

I titled my thread:

Another jesus. Another gospel.​

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Cornelius8L]

There is no command in the Hebrew of Exodus 20 or the LXX which is the Greek translation of the Book of the Law that we must work six days.

Because It is also a fact that Verse nine is basically in the indicative mood future tense. Which simply put means, it is a fact that we have 6 days to work. So in essence we have no excuse to work on the Sabbath because of the other 6 days.

Since you are suggesting that Exodus 20:9-11 is not part of the Ten Commandments, is there any instruction on how to remember the Sabbath from this Commandment?

So, is resting every day and keeping each day holy also considered observing the Sabbath?

Why don't you share how you observe the Sabbath according to any instructions you can find in scripture, rather than following unclear suggestions, recommendations, or traditions that are not as clear as the commandment? Is it just about remembering?

 

[Neogaia777]

John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

I am aware that most commentators are of the opinion that Jesus did not break the Sabbath and that the Jews had falsely accused him, but if you look at it more closely, the Jews were actually right in their accusation that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Reason:
The law says you shall not bear any burden on the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:21-22). That this commandment is to be understood in exactly this way can be seen from the fact that God had a man stoned to death for carrying only wood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Jesus broke this commandment by commanding the healed man to carry his bed (John 5:10-11). The Jews were right in their accusation in this regard. And the clear proof that Jesus broke the Sabbath lies in the fact that John the author of the Gospel agrees with this in verse 18. If Jesus had not broken the Sabbath, he would not have expressed himself in this way but would have made it clear that the Jews were lying.

The reason why Jesus broke the ceremonial commandments like the Sabbath was not because he was a sinner for he is sinless but because he wanted to show that these commandments are to be understood spiritually. The Sabbath was never to be the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was Jesus Christ, who is the true rest in which we should enter, as Paul said. Paul also said that God never wanted animal sacrifices, but that the true sacrifice is Jesus. The Old Testament is only a shadow, the New Testament is the fulfilment and the reality.

You are partly correct.

Jesus in part came to show us that there were certain principles/values/virtues that superceded the letter of the law taken always literally and without ever making any exceptions or without ever showing any mercy, etc.

Those are the spirit of the law, or are the only true law, etc.

But if you don't discern the spirit of the law 100% truly accurately or correctly, or are just using this as an excuse to break the letter, then you will more than likely still be sinning when you do something that would be or would stand as condemned by either, etc.

But as long as you are not doing that, then you are not breaking either, etc.

God Bless.

 

[HIM]

Since you are suggesting that Exodus 20:9-11 is not part of the Ten Commandments,

I am not suggesting anything. you were shown what is written by God. It is not commanded that we have to work 6 days. The Grammar shows the command is in the clause Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Verse nine is not being stated as a command as you were using. Only verse 8. It is a fact that We have 6 days to do all our work, but day seven is the Sabbath. And in it we are not to work and we are to keep the day Holy.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THE IMPERATIVE MOOD IS USED. AND THAT IS VERY INTERESTING FACT. IT IS AS IF GOD KNEW WE WOULD FORGET OR IGNORE THIS VERY COMMANDMENT.

The rest of the commands are stated as facts. As in it is a fact you will honor your parents, have no other gods, make no idols or bow down to them, not steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, kill or covet. That is interesting also.

is there any instruction on how to remember the Sabbath from this Commandment?

Yes, remember the Sabbath is the Seventh Day and keep it Holy. See verse 16:26 and the rest of verse 8. Keep in mind also the word Sabbath means cease.

It seems people think that by asking questions they nullify what is written. When their questions don't address the facts shown to them. They just distract. This should be a huge sign for them to just accept the truth..

And in this case the truth is, there is no command in the Hebrew of Exodus 20 or the LXX which is the Greek translation of the Book of the Law that we must work six days AS YOU SAID.

And the truth is, the command is shown in the Grammar and syntax in the Greek and Hebrew out right in the word remember. In both languages Remember is in the imperative mood. Which is the form of a verb which expresses a command. We are commanded to remember the Sabbath Day and Keep it Holy. Verse nine is basically in the indicative mood future tense. Which simply put means, it is a fact that we have 6 days to work. So in essence we have no excuse to work on the Sabbath because of the other 6 days.

And truth is Now you and anyone else that is reading this knows, so there is no excuse in repeating this error. And When found in error as in any sin we are to confess and repent. Part of this would be recant. This what Christians do. Not come up with a bunch of questions that do not do anything other than to distract from the truth.

Why don't you share how you observe the Sabbath according to any instructions you can find in scripture, rather than following unclear suggestions, recommendations, or traditions that are not as clear as the commandment? Is it just about remembering?

God is not unclear. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.

There are things that are needful. But Most things unless directed from the Lord can be done the other six days. By doing things that can be put off we are not resting as we should on the 7th day. The day that He sanctified, set apart for such.

Sin is an issue everyday. But the most important part of the command is to keep it Holy. Do not defile it. This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking. This also happens in ministerial work. So we need to be careful.

 

[Leaf473]

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 3:17 - New American Standard Bible

Whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Cornelius8L]

It seems people think that by asking questions they nullify what is written. When their questions don't address the facts shown to them. They just distract. This should be a huge sign for them to just accept the truth..

The method of verification by asking questions is a technique often used by Jesus. For instance, in Matthew 22:45, He asks, "If David calls Him ‘Lord,’ how can He be David’s son?” By your logic, Jesus also nullifies what is written.

I am not suggesting anything. you were shown what is written by God. It is not commanded that we have to work 6 days. The Grammar shows the command is in the clause Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Verse nine is not being stated emphatically as you were using. Only verse 8. It is a fact that We have 6 days to do all our work, but day seven is the Sabbath. And in it we are not to work and we are to keep the day Holy.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THE EMPHATIC MOOD IS USED. AND THAT IS VERY INTERESTING FACT. IT IS AS IF GOD KNEW WE WOULD FORGET OR IGNORE THIS VERY COMMANDMENT.

The rest of the commands are stated as facts. As in it is a fact you will honor your parents, have no other gods, make no idols or bow down to them, not steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, kill or covet. That is interesting also.

Yes, remember the Sabbath is the Seventh Day and keep it Holy. See verse 16:26 and the rest of verse 8. Keep in mind also the word Sabbath means cease.

It seems people think that by asking questions they nullify what is written. When their questions don't address the facts shown to them. They just distract. This should be a huge sign for them to just accept the truth..

And in this case the truth is, there is no command in the Hebrew of Exodus 20 or the LXX which is the Greek translation of the Book of the Law that we must work six days AS YOU SAID.

And the truth is, the command is shown in the Grammar and syntax in the Greek and Hebrew out right in the word remember. In both languages Remember is in the imperative mood. Which is the form of a verb which expresses a command. We are commanded to remember the Sabbath Day and Keep it Holy. Verse nine is basically in the indicative mood future tense. Which simply put means, it is a fact that we have 6 days to work. So in essence we have no excuse to work on the Sabbath because of the other 6 days.

And truth is Now you and anyone else that is reading this knows, so there is no excuse in repeating this error. And When found in error as in any sin we are to confess and repent. Part of this would be recant. This what Christians do. Not come up with a bunch of questions that do not do anything other than to distract from the truth.

God is not unclear. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.

There are things that are needful. But Most things unless directed from the Lord can be done the other six days. By doing things that can be put off we are not resting as we should on the 7th day. The day that He sanctified, set apart for such.

Sin is an issue everyday. But the most important part of the command is to keep it Holy. Do not defile it. This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking. This also happens in ministerial work. So we need to be careful.

In the context of ordinary Christians, not ministers, what does the Lord instruct us to do on the Sabbath according to scripture? Is going to church and participating in the activities you mentioned the Truth instructed and Written by God, or is it a suggestion of men (Matthew 15:9)?

This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking.

Are you saying that Proverbs 3:6 and Proverbs 16:3 only pertains to ministering work and cannot be applied to regular work in the corporate world?

 

[Cornelius8L]

God is not unclear. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.

This is how Jesus explains not deviating from the commandment:

Matthew 15:3Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5But you say that if anyone says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever you would have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6he need not honor his father or mother with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’"​

It's true that God did command the priests to work on the Sabbath as written, but did God ever command the current-day ministers to work on the Sabbath? Where is this written? Since rest is mandated in the written commandment, and only priests can be guiltless because it is a instruction by God, why are the current-day ministers working on the Sabbath when it is not commanded by God?

 

[Dead Eye]

John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

I am aware that most commentators are of the opinion that Jesus did not break the Sabbath and that the Jews had falsely accused him, but if you look at it more closely, the Jews were actually right in their accusation that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Reason:
The law says you shall not bear any burden on the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:21-22). That this commandment is to be understood in exactly this way can be seen from the fact that God had a man stoned to death for carrying only wood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Jesus broke this commandment by commanding the healed man to carry his bed (John 5:10-11). The Jews were right in their accusation in this regard. And the clear proof that Jesus broke the Sabbath lies in the fact that John the author of the Gospel agrees with this in verse 18. If Jesus had not broken the Sabbath, he would not have expressed himself in this way but would have made it clear that the Jews were lying.

The reason why Jesus broke the ceremonial commandments like the Sabbath was not because he was a sinner for he is sinless but because he wanted to show that these commandments are to be understood spiritually. The Sabbath was never to be the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was Jesus Christ, who is the true rest in which we should enter, as Paul said. Paul also said that God never wanted animal sacrifices, but that the true sacrifice is Jesus. The Old Testament is only a shadow, the New Testament is the fulfilment and the reality.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Sometimes it's just mind boggling how people can read something and ignore everything it says and then attempt to make it say something completely opposite.

I'm just reading what it clearly and plainly says. Thanks for the effort though. I note you didn't choose to offer a counter to my exegesis.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's true that God did command the priests to work on the Sabbath as written, but did God ever command the current-day ministers to work on the Sabbath? Where is this written? Since rest is mandated in the written commandment, and only priests can be guiltless because it is a instruction by God, why are the current-day ministers working on the Sabbath when it is not commanded by God?

Sure it is.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

If it wasn’t a sin in scripture, it’s not a sin today. If it was a sin in scripture, it is a sin today.

The Sabbath is about fostering our relationship with God, doing the ways of God Isa 58:13 which is exactly what preachers who peach on the Sabbath do, much like how Jesus taught in the synagogues readings God’s Word Luke 4:16 who is our example 1 John 2:6 and the apostles preaching God’s Word every Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4, Acts 15:21

 

[Cornelius8L]

Sure it is.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

If it wasn’t a sin in scripture, it’s not a sin today. If it was a sin in scripture, it is a sin today.

The Sabbath is about fostering our relationship with God, doing the ways of God Isa 58:13 which is exactly what preachers who peach on the Sabbath do, much like how Jesus taught in the synagogues readings God’s Word Luke 4:16 who is our example 1 John 2:6 and the apostles preaching God’s Word every Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4, Acts 15:21

You need to understand the logic here. The Bible does not say that working itself is a sin; it specifies that working on the Sabbath is a sin. Otherwise, the scripture would not mention the priests breaking the Sabbath. Therefore, your reference to 2 Timothy 3:16 does not support your argument.

And the priests were only forgiven because they had a specific instruction from God to work on the Sabbath, as stated in the scripture. Where does the scripture say that today's ministers must work on the Sabbath? The Sabbath is meant for ceasing all work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You need to understand the logic here. The Bible does not say that working itself is a sin; it specifies that working on the Sabbath is a sin. Otherwise, the scripture would not mention the priests breaking the Sabbath. Therefore, your reference to 2 Timothy 3:16 does not support your argument.

Preaching God’s Word on the Sabbath is not secular work, why it wasn’t a sin in scripture nor one today. Just like Jesus didn’t sin reading God’s Word on the Sabbath nor did the apostles sin, preaching God’s Word every Sabbath. Jesus already made His judgement on this matter- it wasn’t a sin in scripture, not a sin today, but you’re free to believe what you want, judgement is not based on your standard or the Pharisees, what matters is Jesus and He already made clear its no violation to preach God’s Word on the Sabbath. Take care.

 

[Cornelius8L]

Preaching God’s Word on the Sabbath is not secular work, why it wasn’t a sin in scripture nor one today. Just like Jesus didn’t sin reading God’s Word on the Sabbath nor did the apostles sin, preaching God’s Word every Sabbath. Jesus already made His judgement on this matter- it wasn’t a sin in scripture, not a sin today, but you’re free to believe what you want, judgement is not based on your standard or the Pharisees, what matters is Jesus and He already made clear its no violation to preach God’s Word on the Sabbath. Take care.

Here is the definition of work according to the God-breathed scripture, 1 Timothy 5:18: "For the Scripture says, 'Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,' and, 'The worker is worthy of his wages.'"

The priests received their share for their work on the Sabbath. In contrast, Jesus and Paul did not receive any wages for their preaching on the Sabbath. Therefore, to support your argument, no one should be paid for their work as the gospel is freely received and freely given. If a church organization pays workers, even for non-secular work, it becomes work that could break the Sabbath. The scripture provides for the priests, thus the priests are breaking the Sabbath, even if their work is non-secular. However, they are forgiven because it was an instruction by God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here is the definition of work according to the God-breathed scripture, 1 Timothy 5:18: "For the Scripture says, 'Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,' and, 'The worker is worthy of his wages.'"

The priests received their share for their work on the Sabbath. In contrast, Jesus and Paul did not receive any wages for their preaching on the Sabbath. Therefore, to support your argument, no one should be paid for their work as the gospel is freely received and freely given. If a church organization pays workers, even for non-secular work, it becomes work that could break the Sabbath. The scripture provides for the priests, thus the priests are breaking the Sabbath, even if their work is non-secular. However, they are forgiven because it was an instruction by God.

Really you relate muzzling an ox with preaching God’s Word. Looking to condemn much like the Pharisees did with the apostles and Jesus, no point in trying to reason together. Take care.

 

[Cornelius8L]

Really you relate muzzling an ox with preaching God’s Word. Looking to condemn much like the Pharisees did with the apostles and Jesus, no point in trying to reason together. Take care.

You tend to selectively read the text. I quoted the entire verse, which explains that the worker is worthy of his wages. I won't let you evade defending your argument. If you receive wages for your non-secular work, you are breaking the Sabbath Commandment that you preach so fervently. This is what Jesus acknowledged about the priests breaking the Sabbath. Now, does the scripture allow ministers to do all this on the "cease all work" Sabbath?

And btw, in case you don't know, Ox is also not permitted to work on the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You tend to selectively read the text. I quoted the entire verse, which explains that the worker is worthy of his wages. I won't let you evade defending your argument. If you receive wages for your non-secular work, you are breaking the Sabbath Commandment that you preach so fervently. This is what Jesus acknowledged about the priests breaking the Sabbath. Now, does the scripture allow ministers to do all this on the "cease all work" Sabbath?

I would consider leaving the judging to God, He will be all our righteous Judge. If preaching God’s Word is a sin as you claim, than I trust Jesus to Judge fairly come Judgement Day, just as we all have to stand before Him one day soon based on what we have done, which is what I would be more concerned with. Jesus said it wasn’t a sin in scripture Mat 12:5, doing God’s work is not a sin, just like doctors who see people on the Sabbath for emergencies not a sin, but these are similar arguments the Pharisees made against Jesus and the apostles looking closely to see what they could accuse them of.

If one knew how little SDA Pastors make on salary, no money from the collection tray like most of the other churches, would know they are not dedicating themselves to God for the money. God knows this, thats what matters.

Not going to respond further so I’ll end it with agree to disagree.