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Jesus Birth, Baptism and Resurrection and the Fall Feasts

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“Three times a year shall all your men appear before the Lord your God in the place that God will choose, on the festivals of Pesah (Passover), Shavuot (the Feast of Weeks), and Sukkot (the Festival of Booths). They shall not appear empty handed. Each shall bring his own gift, appropriate to the blessing which the Lord your God has given you” (Deuteronomy 16:16).​

Those feasts, Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles were times when all Jews were required to be in Jerusalem. I'm beginning to wonder if what we call Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving should be rolled up into one holiday. Now I'm not telling you that you should change your calendar, celebrate holidays as you see fit. I just going to put this out there and see where it goes.

Therefore, according to the texts above we can approximate the month of Jesus’ birth to be around the time of Tishri (mid to late September). To arrive at this date, start at the conception of John the Baptist, Sivan (June), count forward six months to arrive at Gabriel’s announcement of the conception of Jesus, Kislev (December), then count forward nine months, the time it takes for human gestation, to reach Tishri (September), when Jesus was born. (When was Jesus born? Bible Info)
There is no real question that the crucifixion was connected to Passover, the Lord's Supper was the Passover meal. The beginning of Jesus' ministry seems likely to have happened during these fall feasts. Think about it, Jesus walks out the east gate, through the Kidron Valley and sits down on the hill side leading up to the Mount of Olives. There he gives his inaugural sermon, the Sermon on the Mount. Doesn't it make sense that it would be a time when all the children of Israel were in Jerusalem?

This isn't an invitation to a debate, just a thought I've been kicking around. Your thoughts...

Grace and peace,
Mark
 

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yes he was born around sukkot or maybe the jewish new year, but he was conceived around christmas time - where his life really came to earth anyway accordoing tie jewish understanding as life begins at conception (psalm 139 etc), so hanukah , festival of lights, and christmas, has its place anyway. We can make it all fit if we want lol. Its all good :D
 
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Isn't the Sermon on the Mount supposed to take place near Capernaum in Galilee? Why are you saying it was on the Mount of Olives?
Because I don't buy it obviously. Matthew says it was on a mountain side, Luke says it was in a valley, that's a pretty good description of the Kidron Valley. This is the site of the reading of the Law in the time of Ezra, with 40,000 in attendance. Why would Jesus preach this sermon out in the boonies when during the fall feasts all the Jews would be in Jerusalem? There are a couple of other things, Nicodemus comes and sees Jesus in Jerusalem. In the next chapter Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman at the well. It seems to me that Jesus gives the sermon on the Mount, talks to Nicodemus shortly after and meets this woman on his trip returning to Nazareth.
 
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Because I don't buy it obviously. Matthew says it was on a mountain side, Luke says it was in a valley, that's a pretty good description of the Kidron Valley. This is the site of the reading of the Law in the time of Ezra, with 40,000 in attendance. Why would Jesus preach this sermon out in the boonies when during the fall feasts all the Jews would be in Jerusalem? There are a couple of other things, Nicodemus comes and sees Jesus in Jerusalem. In the next chapter Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman at the well. It seems to me that Jesus gives the sermon on the Mount, talks to Nicodemus shortly after and meets this woman on his trip returning to Nazareth.
It probably was in galilee tho ;)
Come on now, theres no reason to doubt it.
 
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It probably was in galilee tho ;)
Come on now, theres no reason to doubt it.
The Scriptures don't say that and it's not important anyway. But the Scriptures are telling us that after the Sermon on the Mount he comes down from the mountain. Then, after that, he 'entered Capernaum':

Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, (Matt. 8:5)
There is no reason to believe Jesus was born in December and certainly nothing indicating he was raised in the spring. That's actually what I was getting at, but I have actually thought about the narrative in Matthew.
 
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The Scriptures don't say that and it's not important anyway. But the Scriptures are telling us that after the Sermon on the Mount he comes down from the mountain. Then, after that, he 'entered Capernaum':

Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, (Matt. 8:5)
There is no reason to believe Jesus was born in December and certainly nothing indicating he was raised in the spring. That's actually what I was getting at, but I have actually thought about the narrative in Matthew.
dont worry man, i truly appreciate your fresh look at things wether theyre right or wrong
 
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dont worry man, i truly appreciate your fresh look at things wether theyre right or wrong
Well I appreciate the friendly way you said that but I have some pretty sound reasons for what I'm telling you. I'm big on the beatitudes, I even committed chapter 5 to memory. For a long time that was the first place I went when I got my hands on a commentary. At first I was just puzzled that they said it was in Capernaum. With four accounts its kind of hard to put a scenario together. Here is what I think happened. Jesus goes to the Synagogue in Nazareth, reads the prophecy about the Messiah and says it's fulfilled in their hearing (Luke 4:16-20). Then he is tempted by Satan, it says, in the wilderness. I think that was the mountains of Judea southwest of Jerusalem. It was between the Sharon valley and the dead sea, the area was isolated which is why the Essenes liked it. He had preached across Israel, mostly working miracles and preaching repentance. Like all pious Jews of his days he soon after makes the annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem. They did not follow him to Galilee, they followed him from Galilee.

Jerusalem is in the south, on a mountain called Zion. When Jesus went to Jerusalem, which was once a year, he stayed in Bethany which is just outside Jerusalem near the Mount of Olives. Lazarus, Mary and Martha were probably relatives. There wouldn't be enough room at the Temple or in the city for a gathering like this, the city was very crowded this time of the year. In the time of Ezra they built him a platform from the construction material used to rebuild the walls. According to the book of Ezra there were 40,000 there when he read the Law. So this valley just outside the east gate could serve as a natural amphitheater. The tithes are brought in at this time since it was the end of the harvest. The Temple would have been burning thanksgiving offering, the smell of bread and frankincense would have filled the air. Ezra had read the Law and the priest milled around in the crowd explaining the meaning. Jesus explained the Law in a way no one had heard before, in the same place Ezra had read the Law after the walls were completed.

In John 2:23-25, it says Jesus was in Jerusalem for Passover. Then in chapter 3 he is talking with Nicodemus and then in chapter 4 he is in Samaria. Apparently John skipped the Sermon on the Mount but Matthew dwells on it for three chapters. Jesus ministry had been mostly miracles and preaching repentance leading up to the fall feasts. At Jerusalem he begins an extensive teaching ministry, and when he returns to Capernaum he calls the 12 Apostles and 70 ministers.

That's how I see it, not that it's that important, it just makes sense to me. Jesus was born in the fall, died in the fall, and I think preached his first exposition of the Law in the fall. That would be the perfect time to do it because all pious Jews would be there and the subject was the Law of Moses. The Law is read to the people several times during these feasts, no proscribed time but it was required. So the crowd would have had opportunity to hear the Law and with that fresh in their minds, Jesus does his exposition of the Law in the Kidron Valley just outside the city. I'm aware of the tradition that it was in Galilee:

Within sight are the scenes of many of the events of Jesus’ ministry in Galilee, including the town of Capernaum 3km away, where he made his home. Just below is Sower’s Cove, where it is believed Jesus taught the Parable of the Sower (Mark 4:1-9) from a boat moored in the bay.

The exact site of the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:1-7:28) is unknown. Pilgrims commemorate the event at the eight-sided Church of the Beatitudes, built on the slope of the mount and accessible by a side road branching off the Tiberias-Rosh Pina highway. (Mount of Beatitudes)
I'm not opposed to the idea and I'm certain scholars have their reasons for thinking that was the site. It's not all that important and I'm not big on contradicting tradition, that's just how I see it. Because the exact site is unknown I think there is a little wiggle room here for an alternative reading of the text.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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