JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. No one believes and follows God or has faith by not doing what God says *JAMES 2:18-20; 26. We are all only saved by the blood of JESUS and we are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.*EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20 and just like every other commandment if we brake it we stand before God guilty of sin. I believe those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when God gives us a knowledge of the truth reject the gift of Gods dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and do despite to the Spirit of God *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

God bless

 

[Bob S]

How could anyone believe that the ten commandments are the summation of all the sins man can and are doing.

The ten commandments, according to the apostle Paul are "the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2Cor 3:7-11

The ten commandments came with glory, They were Israel's guide. The fact is the covenant that contained the ten and the other 306 laws came to an end at Calvary where Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood.

 

[Saint Steven]

How could anyone believe that the ten commandments are the summation of all the sins man can and are doing.

I agree. Check this out.

Where are these sins found in the Ten Commandments?

- Pride
- Greed
- Envy
- Wrath, Fits of Rage
- Lust
- Gluttony
- Sloth
- Dishonesty, Deception
- Impurity, Debauchery
- Witchcraft, Sorcery
- Hatred, Indifference
- Jealousy
- Showing Favoritism, Prejudice and Discrimination
- Selfish Ambition, Self-Centeredness
- Withholding Remedy to Human or Animal Needs
- Drunkenness, Drug Abuse
- Fornication, Sodomy, inappropriate behavior with animals
- Discord, Dissensions, Factions
- Unbelief, Disbelief, Agnosticism, Atheism
- Etc.

The definition of sin is not limited to the Ten Commandments.

And what about sins of omission?

James 4:17
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do
and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.

Even a lack of faith is sin.

Romans 14:23
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How could anyone believe that the ten commandments are the summation of all the sins man can and are doing.

The ten commandments, according to the apostle Paul are "the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2Cor 3:7-11

The ten commandments came with glory, They were Israel's guide. The fact is the covenant that contained the ten and the other 306 laws came to an end at Calvary where Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood.

According to the scriptures, Gods Word defines sin as the breaking any one of God's 10 commandments or not believing and following God's Word *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 14:23. It is through God's law we receive a knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7. This is the purpose of Gods LAW. It is the standard of rightouesness if obeyed *PSALMS 119:172 and the knowledge of sin if disobeyed *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7.

The pupose of God's LAW is to show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *MATTHEW 9:12-13; GALATIANS 3:22-25. When we are brought to Christ (the Word) by faith and have repented from our sins (breaking God's commandments) we are now free to walk in Christ's Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16 and God's law is establsihed in the heart of the believer *ROMANS 3:31.

This is the new covenant promise of a new hear to love *HEBREWS 8:1-12 from JEREMIAH 31:31-34. 2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-18 is discussing the transition of the old covenant to the new covenant. In the new covenant the letters of the tables of stone have been now written on the fleshly tables of the heart to love *HEBREWS 8:10. Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart *2 CORINTHIANS 3:3 referring to HEBREWS 8:10 from JEREMIAH 31:31-34.

In the new Covenant God has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life *2 CORINTHIANS 3:6. We now walk in God's Spirit of love so we do not fulfill the lusts of the FLESH *GALATIANS 5:16 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: WHY? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit *ROMANS 3:4. The law written on stone is only the ministration of death to where sin is found because the wages of sin is death to those who reject the gift of God's dear son *2 CORINTHIANS 3:7; ROMANS 6:23.

The new covenant is salvation from sin and freedom to walk in newness of life through God's Spirit GALATIANS 5:16l; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 6. Salvation is from sin not to continue in it JOHN 8:31-36. If we continue in sin we will die *ROMANS 8:13; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

The law written on the heart by faith through the Spirit is the ministration of the new covenant promises and is what it means to be Born again *HEBREWS :8-10. Those who are born again do not commit sin *1 JOHN 3:9. According to the scriptures those who practice sin do not know God and need to be born again *1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; JOHN 3:3-7. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:10.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 is not doing away with God's law it is showing the two covenants of stone and the Spirit and the role of God's LAW under the two covenants. If you be in the Spirit you are not under the law (been forgiven) and are now free to walk in love and newness of life *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 6. God's law has the same role it always has and that is to give us the knowledge of sin when it is broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 that the rightouesness of God's law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit *ROMANS 8:4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 3:9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

God is calling us higher than having a form of Godliness that denies his power to save us from our sins *2 TIMOTHY 3:5 Salvation is from the inside out.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

I believe the scriptures teach All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Blessings..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree. Check this out.

Where are these sins found in the Ten Commandments?

- Pride
- Greed
- Envy
- Wrath, Fits of Rage
- Lust
- Gluttony
- Sloth
- Dishonesty, Deception
- Impurity, Debauchery
- Witchcraft, Sorcery
- Hatred, Indifference
- Jealousy
- Showing Favoritism, Prejudice and Discrimination
- Selfish Ambition, Self-Centeredness
- Withholding Remedy to Human or Animal Needs
- Drunkenness, Drug Abuse
- Fornication, Sodomy, inappropriate behavior with animals
- Discord, Dissensions, Factions
- Unbelief, Disbelief, Agnosticism, Atheism
- Etc.

All of the above are found in the 10 commandments and are sins of the heart as well as not believing and following God's Word as shown in the scriptures of the previous post.

- Pride
1st Commandment; Thou shalt not have any ther Gods (putting self before God and man) *Exodus 20:3

- Greed
10th commandment; though shalt not covet *EXODUS 20:7 and 8th commandment; though shalt not steal EXODUS 20:15

- Envy
10th commandment; though shalt not covet *EXODUS 20:7

- Wrath, Fits of Rage
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill *EXODUS 20:13; MATTHEW 5:22

- Lust
7th Commandment; Thou shalt not commit adultery *EXODUS 20:14 and 10th commandment; Thou shalt not covet *EXODUS 20:17; MATTHEW 5:27-28

- Gluttony
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill

- Dishonesty, Deception
9th commandment; Thou shalt not lie *EXODUS 20:16

- Impurity, Debauchery ADULTERY.
7th Commandment; Thou shalt not commit adultery *EXODUS 20:14 and 10th commandment; Thou shalt not covet *EXODUS 20:17; MATTHEW 5:27-28

- Witchcraft, Sorcery
1st and 2nd Commandments; Thou shalt not have any ther Gods *Exodus 20:3-6

- Hatred, Indifference
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill *EXODUS 20:13; MATTHEW 5:22

- Jealousy
10th commandment; though shalt not covet *EXODUS 20:7

- Showing Favoritism, Prejudice and Discrimination
9th commandment; Thou shalt not lie *EXODUS 20:16. Can be applied to most of the 10 commandments

- Selfish Ambition, Self-Centeredness
1st Commandment; Thou shalt not have any ther Gods (putting self before God and man) *Exodus 20:3

- Withholding Remedy to Human or Animal Needs
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill *EXODUS 20:13

- Drunkenness, Drug Abuse
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill *EXODUS 20:13

- Fornication, Sodomy, inappropriate behavior with animals
7th Commandment; Thou shalt not commit adultery *EXODUS 20:14 (Adultery also means unlawful union; receisely outside of wedlock)

- Discord, Dissensions, Factions
6th Commandment; Thou shalt not kill *EXODUS 20:13

- Unbelief, Disbelief, Agnosticism, Atheism Other Gods
Romans 14:23

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JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Hope this is helpful

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

This one pretty much sums the whole thread up

 

[bbbbbbb]

This one pretty much sums the whole thread up

Thank God Jesus fulfilled the Law, leaving nothing required for his elect people to do other than to abide in Him.

 

[HARK!]

The ten commandments, according to the apostle Paul are "the ministration of death

Not so.

(Now if the dispensation of death, by letters chiseled in stone, came in glory, so that the sons of Israel were not able to look intently into the face of Moses, because of the glory of his face, which was being nullified,

Clearly Paul wasn't sustaining death.


(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

 

[HARK!]

Thank God Jesus fulfilled the Law, leaving nothing required for his elect people to do other than to abide in Him.

(CLV) Ro 8:3
For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

 

[bbbbbbb]

As approved by LoveGod'sWord, a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church,

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

 

[Bob S]

The law was destroyed long before Jesus came to save Jews from the curse of that destroyed law. We know for sure that Israel did not live up to the standards God set forth for them at Sinai. They broke the covenant with its ten commandments thus ending or destroying all the promises God had for them. Jesus came, kept the law that the Israelites failed so miserably to abide, thus fulfilling all that God's special people failed.

So no, Jesus didn't destroy the law, Israel did that long before Jesus arrived. Then Jesus said in verse 18: For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Now I ask all of you that tell us we are under the obligation to abide by the laws of the destroyed covenant, that you tell us is still to be kept, do you keep all of the jots or do you allow even one little tittle of the 613 laws of the covenant to be swept under the rug? Well now, we all suspect that you do sweep many of them under the rug yet you tell us that we are obligated to keep them. I smell a double standard here and so did Jesus when He called the Pharisees hypocrites. Their piety was overwhelming, but their actions revealed who they really were.

"Till all is fulfilled" Jesus is God and was sent to fulfill the dispensation of death and He did so perfectly. Thus He was able to usher in the new and better covenant, the one with better promises not like the old one that was not about eternal salvation. Ex 19:5-6

 

[HARK!]

The law was destroyed long before Jesus came to save Jews from the curse of that destroyed law.

Then exactly what law did Yahshua say he did not come to destroy?

What law did Yahshua say would not pass away?

What law did Paul say that we are sustaining?

What law were Zechariah and his wife going in, blameless?

To which law did Paul become blameless?

Where can I find in scripture that the law was destroyed, in contradiction to all of these witnesses, including Yahshua himself?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Thank God Jesus fulfilled the Law, leaving nothing required for his elect people to do other than to abide in Him.

According to the Gods' Word, JESUS did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it. JESUS tells us that except our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees we will not enter into God's Kingdom *Matthew 5:20. Those who say they know God while knowingly breaking anyone of God's commandments according to the scriptures are lying and do not know God *1 John 2:3-4; James 2:10-11 and need to be born again *1 John 3:6-9 to walk in Gods Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. These are God's Word not mine. Now what is it from the above you do not believe?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As approved by LoveGod'sWord, a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

God's Word should always be approved by all people. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God according to JESUS *Matthew 15:3-9.

 

[bbbbbbb]

God's Word should always be approved by all people. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God according to JESUS *Matthew 15:3-9.

You posted this, did you not?

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You posted this, did you not?

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

No, someone else did who I agreed with in the post above. I did post it early though in the OP. Do you think JESUS came to fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it?

 

[eleos1954]

Thank God Jesus fulfilled the Law, leaving nothing required for his elect people to do other than to abide in Him.

of which abiding in Him is through the Holy Spirit who of course helps us keep the law.
What is sin? Transgression of the law.

 

[Bob S]

Then exactly what law did Yahshua say he did not come to destroy?

What other law was there? Can't you comprehend the fact that it was the Israelites that destroyed the covenant law? Jesus didn't have to destroy it. It was already destroyed. Her didn't come to destroy the Prophets either He came to fulfill the prophecies about His coming. He brought to an end the prophecies concerning all His prophecies. He also brought the law to an end, both at the Cross.

What law did Yahshua say would not pass away?

The UNTIL.....

What law did Paul say that we are sustaining?

The covenant law UNTIL.....

Where can I find in scripture that the law was destroyed, in contradiction to all of these witnesses, including Yahshua himself?

Are you one of those that do not believe the writings of Paul are not Canon? If you are then you don't believe 2Cor 3:6-11, Gal 3:19 and Eph 2.

 

[Bob S]

of which abiding in Him is through the Holy Spirit who of course helps us keep the law.
What is sin? Transgression of the law.

What law?

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, someone else did who I agreed with in the post above. I did post it early though in the OP. Do you think JESUS came to fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it?

You are correct. What you did post was - "This one pretty much sums the whole thread up."

I happened to entirely agree with you that, indeed, Jesus has entirely and completely fulfilled the Law.