Jesus’ Crucifixion – Nisan 14 in 30 AD or 33 AD?: A Robust Methodology to Determine Julian Dates in

[Yahudim]

Evidence suggest at the time of Messiah they used the 8 year cycle, with observation.

Have you considered the 8 year cycle?

Below I included a link that explains the synchronization of the Lunar cycle to the solar cycle every 8 years.

Shalom

Citations please.

 

[Filippus]

Citations please.

Venus Cycle Calendar 1500BC Negev Desert rock art.

 

[Filippus]

Evidence suggest at the time of Messiah they used the 8 year cycle, with observation.

Have you considered the 8 year cycle?

Below I included a link that explains the synchronization of the Lunar cycle to the solar cycle every 8 years.

Shalom

Maybe I should reword this by asking,
Is there any evidence that a 8 year cycle with observation was active in the 2nd Temple period?

Shalom

 

[Yahudim]

Maybe I should reword this by asking,
Is there any evidence that a 8 year cycle with observation was active in the 2nd Temple period?

Shalom

Shabbat shalom my friend,

There is no such evidence of which I am aware. Considering the other references to Ishtar in Scripture, I find it highly unlikely that torah-observant Jews would adopt the ' Ishtar' calendar of the Mesopotamians. How about you?

 

[Humble Penny]

Venus Cycle Calendar 1500BC Negev Desert rock art.

Maybe I should reword this by asking,
Is there any evidence that a 8 year cycle with observation was active in the 2nd Temple period?

Shalom

It's amazing how that man was able to glean so much information by looking at a rock without any writing accompanying it lol! And just think with all these lousy pieces of childish "rock carvings" which, as children, me and my sisters and friends did with ease by simply scraping one rock against another!

But as brother Phillip said, why would God be okay with the Jews following the ways of the Canaanites when He explicitly said he hates all their ways along with those of Egypt and Babylon?

 

[Filippus]

Shabbat shalom my friend,

There is no such evidence of which I am aware. Considering the other references to Ishtar in Scripture, I find it highly unlikely that torah-observant Jews would adopt the ' Ishtar' calendar of the Mesopotamians. How about you?

Shabbat Shalom.

I agree that they would not have adopted a pagan calendar, but it doesn't stop pagans to mimic Israel.

In this case the remnants might be from pagan origin but reflects what was available at that point in time, +- 1650 BC.

And I found it interesting that Dr David Neiman explained it in it simplistic form as a 8 year cycle. Making me wonder if it started possibly as a 8 year cycle, but was refined to the 19 year cycle later on?

Or was it a 19 year cycle from day one?

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

I have been corresponding with Charles Murphey, an SMU alum, a believer, a seeker, a writer, a Geophysicist and the author of a very interesting book entitled,
Jesus’ Crucifixion – Nisan 14 in 30 AD or 33 AD?: A Robust Methodology to Determine Julian Dates in the Late Second Temple Period.

But establishing the date of the crucifiction is not the only benefit of his research. One of the most fascinating aspect of this book us gives the ability to determine a date/day-of-week correlation between the Roman and Jewish calendars during the time of the Messiah's ministry on earth.

Determining a DOW correlation to the Jewish calendar means knowing how to establish Yom Ha Bikkurim in any particular year and therefore the Omer; thus leading to an accurate method of reckoning the subsequent dates of the remaining Moedim. In my estimation, this is a huge benefit to the diligent seeker of His Word.

Considering the many knowledgeable Messianics here, I would not be surprised if a few could offer Charles Murphey scriptural, historical and contextual details that might augment his work.

You can support his efforts by purchasing the book.

Alternately you can read or download the free PDF here: Jesus’ Crucifixion – Nisan 14 in 30 AD or 33 AD?: A Robust Methodology to Determine Julian Dates in the Late Second Temple Period

In my studies I noticed that the third decree was given to Ezra. In Ezra 7:7-9 it tells us that Esra left on 1st of Tishrei in the 7th year of Artaxerxes the king, who became king in 464 BC. His 7th year was 457 BC.
Now considering the 70 Shmita's
mentioned in Daniel 9.

69 x 7 = 483 years.

The 7th year of king Artaxerxes.
457 + 26 = 483 years.

Therfore the 70th Shmita started on the 1st of Tishrei 26 AD and the 7th year end on 1st Tishrei 33 AD.

THE 70th Shmita:
1st year - 27 AD
2nd year - 28 AD
3rd year - 29 AD
1/2 year - 30 AD or the month Aviv or Passover.

Therefore I believe 30 AD is a strong contender as the year of the crucifiction.

Shalom

 

[Christian Gedge]

Therfore the 70th Shmita started on the 1st of Tishrei 26 AD and the 7th year end on 1st Tishrei 33 AD.

That is if we accept our modern assumption that Shmita starts in autumn. The original calendar (including shmita) began in spring. Only Jubilee began in the fall.

 

[Filippus]

That is if we accept our modern assumption that Shmita starts in autumn. The original calendar (including shmita) began in spring. Only Jubilee began in the fall.

I didn't know that.

I was simply starting at 1 Tishrei because of Ezra 7:7-9, but l agree it could also be referring to 1st of Aviv/Nisan

Shalom.

 

[Yahudim]

Everyone, hit the brakes and come to a full stop!

Now watch this: Discovered! The Real Jewish Calendar Part 2. The Evidence

Your considered opinions and critical analysis would be appreciated.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Your considered opinions and critical analysis would be appreciated.

The video speaker is Ron Bublitz and it is based on his book ‘Hidden Rhythms in Prophecy.’ Much of it is arguing for alternative intercalation years. But it still basically follows a 19-year cycle. The ancient Hebrew calendar intercalated over a 49-year cycle I believe.

BTW, have you looked at some of his later videos? Especially the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? It’s a bit of a worry.

 

[Humble Penny]

The video speaker is Ron Bublitz and it is based on his book ‘Hidden Rhythms in Prophecy.’ Much of it is arguing for alternative intercalation years. But it still basically follows a 19-year cycle. The ancient Hebrew calendar intercalated over a 49-year cycle I believe.

BTW, have you looked at some of his later videos? Especially the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? It’s a bit of a worry.

Agreed there has not been any evidence to support the Metonic Cycle being used prior to -432 BC. Numa Pompilius, according to Livy, intercalated a certain number of lunar months every 20 Years so that the lunar cycle would align with the solar cycle.

As brother Gedge has rightly stated the only reasonable cycle is the Jubilee Cycle. And from my own studies I have found 1 Enoch to give the only logical explanation by intercalating a 13th Lunar Month every 5 Years: and Numa Pompilius and other ancients also seemed to mimic this cycle in their own calculations.

 

[Humble Penny]

Everyone, hit the brakes and come to a full stop!

Now watch this: Discovered! The Real Jewish Calendar Part 2. The Evidence

Your considered opinions and critical analysis would be appreciated.

In this thread I show that the Metonic and Callipic Cycles never once align with the Julian or Gregorian Calendars over a 76 Year period, but they instead align with the biblical solar calendar of 360 Days with 4 Intercalary Days :

Laying out the Metonic and Callipic Cycles

All the appropriate tables have been laid out in that thread.

 

[Humble Penny]

Everyone, hit the brakes and come to a full stop!

Now watch this: Discovered! The Real Jewish Calendar Part 2. The Evidence

Your considered opinions and critical analysis would be appreciated.

Honestly there's no reason to take this guy serious because he can't seem to.nderstand that only modern and medieval texts make the claim that the Metonic Cycle existed prior to -432 BC, and why? Because there seems to be a retardant around his brain which is slowing the spread of intelligence, which with its intensity would cure his minf of folly.

On top of this between 14:29-14:50 he makes the erroneous claim that there's no way for the ancient Jews to have a 360 Day year, but because of the wisdom retardant he's wearing he can't see the stories of Noah and Daniel actually show the ancient Hebrews...and Adam using a 360 Day Solar Year, anyone applying a bit of common sense would know that you can never get 1,260 Days with any lunar calendar...only a solar calendar.

Furthermore if we take the traditional date of the destruction of the First Temple in -587 BC then 70 Years later would bring us to -517 BC: this means there is a span of 85 Years between the liberation of the Jews from Babylon to the supposed creation of the Metonic Cycle in -432 BC. What do we make of the supposed claim that the Jews adopted the "Babylonian Lunar Calendar", well it's really a bit of deceptive double-speak because the ancient ethnic Babylonians never used the Metonic Cycle; while the Jews used Babylonian names to reflect the times they were living in: there's actually no biblical or historical evidence showing they adopted any pagan calendars to observe the feast days of YHWH; and, what's more you can make this claim if you count the Greeks who conquered Babylon as "Babylonian" since Alexander the Great would have come to power in -334 BC.

Anyways j j admits in the opening of his video that all of what he read from the scholars was nothing but mere speculation. And he himself also gave nothing but his own opinions and speculations about the whole issue.

 

[daq]

Everyone, hit the brakes and come to a full stop!

Now watch this: Discovered! The Real Jewish Calendar Part 2. The Evidence

Your considered opinions and critical analysis would be appreciated.

Shalom Phillip.

Numbers 11:19-20
19 You shall not eat one yom, nor yomim [two yom], nor five yamim, neither ten yamim, nor twenty yom:
20 But unto a hodesh [of] yamim, until it come out at your nostrils and be loathsome unto you: because you have despised YHWH, who is among you, and have wept before Him, saying, Why came we forth out of Mitzraim?

So, (again), imho the calendar simply cannot be understood without first understanding the civil and sacred calendar days from the opening creation account and Numbers 7.

The event which comes to pass following the above statement, from Numbers 11:19-20, is therefore a hodesh of yamim according to the passage context.

Numbers 11:32
32 And the people rose up all that yom, [day] and all the night, and all the next yom, [day] and they gathered the quail: he that gathered least gathered ten homers, and they spread them abroad for themselves round about the camp.

When did the quail come? At evening time, which is the time when "women go forth to draw water", that is the sixth hour of the day, midday.

A hodesh is therefore thirty yamim, not twenty-nine and a half or twenty-nine alternating with thirty: but thirty yamim, no more no less. The civil calendar day is twelve hours, and the night is twelve hours, and the evening portion of the civil calendar day is six hours, from midday to nightfall, half the civil calendar day.

So the people stood and gathered the quail from when they fell, midday, all that day, (six yamim-hours), and all the night, twelve yamim-hours, and all the next full yom day of the morrow, twelve yamim-hours.

6+12+12 = 30

 

[Yahudim]

EDITED for spelling and clarity

The video speaker is Ron Bublitz and it is based on his book ‘Hidden Rhythms in Prophecy.’ Much of it is arguing for alternative intercalation years. But it still basically follows a 19-year cycle. The ancient Hebrew calendar intercalated over a 49-year cycle I believe.

BTW, have you looked at some of his later videos? Especially the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? It’s a bit of a worry.

Whatever method of intercalation to which you may subscribe, if it does not result in a proper wave offering for Yom HaBikkurim then you have failed to keep Torah(.) <- period! This axiom applies equally to every other calendrical requirement of Torah.

@daq @Humble Penny too...

Btw, I believe the presenter used the term Metonic when he meant 'Metonic-like'. No one here believes Meton made his calculations before he was born. Just sayin'...

I am afraid that you all have misunderstood me. By posting this video, I am in no way endorsing the presenter's views. What interests me is the source he is interpreting. THAT is what I want to examine. His conclusions are irrelevant to this discussion. The video is revealing a new source that may prove relevant.

A proper evaluation of his source is not something that can be accomplished in a short video that does not once attempt to align the presenter's conclusions with the instruction of the Creator, blessed be His Hole Name, or to the Everlasting Covenant of Salvation. This video is like going to a vast spring-fed mountain lake at the dawn of a beautiful day for a drink of clear sweet water - and instead, skipping a rock across it's surface. Though beautiful and enticing, though fraught with promise, unless you know how to draw the water you will remain unsatisfied. And if your intend is to measure it's width, breadth or depth, then skipping a rock across it's surface will leave you just as unsatisfied.

(♪Dum dum da da dum dum - [*theme to Mission Impossible {a 1970s era American spy thriller TV series} music playing in the background] Mr Phelps, this is your mission - should you choose to accept it. Find the digitized copy of the rare and ancient book of calendars shown in this video and deliver it as quickly as possible to this fora. The fate of this discussion hangs in the balance. And as always, should you or any member of your team be discovered, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence... Good luck!)

 

[Filippus]

The video speaker is Ron Bublitz and it is based on his book ‘Hidden Rhythms in Prophecy.’ Much of it is arguing for alternative intercalation years. But it still basically follows a 19-year cycle. The ancient Hebrew calendar intercalated over a 49-year cycle I believe.

BTW, have you looked at some of his later videos? Especially the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? It’s a bit of a worry.

I noticed this after you highlighted it he interpret it as three separate events breaking up the 70 weeks, which is a worry.

However it confirms the start of the first month of 30 AD as 25 March which is a plus.

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

EDITED for spelling and clarity



Whatever method of intercalation to which you may subscribe, if it does not result in a proper wave offering for Yom HaBikkurim then you have failed to keep Torah(.) <- period! This axiom applies equally to every other calendrical requirement of Torah.

@daq @Humble Penny too...

Btw, I believe the presenter used the term Metonic when he meant 'Metonic-like'. No one here believes Meton made his calculations before he was born. Just sayin'...

I am afraid that you all have misunderstood me. By posting this video, I am in no way endorsing the presenter's views. What interests me is the source he is interpreting. THAT is what I want to examine. His conclusions are irrelevant to this discussion. The video is revealing a new source that may prove relevant.

A proper evaluation of his source is not something that can be accomplished in a short video that does not once attempt to align the presenter's conclusions with the instruction of the Creator, blessed be His Hole Name, or to the Everlasting Covenant of Salvation. This video is like going to a vast spring-fed mountain lake at the dawn of a beautiful day for a drink of clear sweet water - and instead, skipping a rock across it's surface. Though beautiful and enticing, though fraught with promise, unless you know how to draw the water you will remain unsatisfied. And if your intend is to measure it's width, breadth or depth, then skipping a rock across it's surface will leave you just as unsatisfied.

(♪Dum dum da da dum dum - [*theme to Mission Impossible {a 1970s era American spy thriller TV series} music playing in the background] Mr Phelps, this is your mission - should you choose to accept it. Find the digitized copy of the rare and ancient book of calendars shown in this video and deliver it as quickly as possible to this fora. The fate of this discussion hangs in the balance. And as always, should you or any member of your team be discovered, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence... Good luck!)

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...cQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1OawyNxkF0HxPI6NPpwLNl

 

[Filippus]

EDITED for spelling and clarity



Whatever method of intercalation to which you may subscribe, if it does not result in a proper wave offering for Yom HaBikkurim then you have failed to keep Torah(.) <- period! This axiom applies equally to every other calendrical requirement of Torah.

@daq @Humble Penny too...

Btw, I believe the presenter used the term Metonic when he meant 'Metonic-like'. No one here believes Meton made his calculations before he was born. Just sayin'...

I am afraid that you all have misunderstood me. By posting this video, I am in no way endorsing the presenter's views. What interests me is the source he is interpreting. THAT is what I want to examine. His conclusions are irrelevant to this discussion. The video is revealing a new source that may prove relevant.

A proper evaluation of his source is not something that can be accomplished in a short video that does not once attempt to align the presenter's conclusions with the instruction of the Creator, blessed be His Hole Name, or to the Everlasting Covenant of Salvation. This video is like going to a vast spring-fed mountain lake at the dawn of a beautiful day for a drink of clear sweet water - and instead, skipping a rock across it's surface. Though beautiful and enticing, though fraught with promise, unless you know how to draw the water you will remain unsatisfied. And if your intend is to measure it's width, breadth or depth, then skipping a rock across it's surface will leave you just as unsatisfied.

(♪Dum dum da da dum dum - [*theme to Mission Impossible {a 1970s era American spy thriller TV series} music playing in the background] Mr Phelps, this is your mission - should you choose to accept it. Find the digitized copy of the rare and ancient book of calendars shown in this video and deliver it as quickly as possible to this fora. The fate of this discussion hangs in the balance. And as always, should you or any member of your team be discovered, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence... Good luck!)

The file is to big to upload so posted a link above, it is a good source material thanks Phillip

Shalom

 

[Christian Gedge]

I noticed this after you highlighted it he interpret it as three separate events breaking up the 70 weeks, which is a worry.

However it confirms the start of the first month of 30 AD as 25 March which is a plus.

Shalom

And he dated the 70th week as AD 2025 to AD 2032 with Jesus returning in the middle.