Jesus’ Commandments-What Commandments?

[Leaf473]

And what do you think this means? It sort of defeats the statement that you can’t leave your house on the Sabbath or travel.

Right, it's not about staying locked in your house on the Sabbath. For the Israelites in the wilderness it wasn't about staying inside their tents all day.

They were told in Deuteronomy to take a shovel and go outside the camp to relieve themselves.

But in Exodus we also read
"Everyone stay in his place. Let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

So the question comes up of how far can you go and still stay in your place?

So the scribes came up with the idea of a Sabbath Day's journey. By the time Acts was written, it was well established enough that the writer can simply use the phrase and Theophilus knows what he means.

But is he just using it as a unit of measurement or is there something deeper going on?

This is something I found amazing just last night as I was researching this, thanks to our conversation here. As iron sharpens iron... it's really true!

At the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem.

But when Jesus ascends into heaven, he and the apostles are all on the Mount of Olives.

I think the explanation is that the Mount of Olives is a Sabbath Day's journey from Jerusalem. So it turns out that being on the Mount of Olives, which is outside the city walls of Jerusalem, still counts as staying in Jerusalem.

So, imo, the opening of Acts lends weight to the idea of a Sabbath day's journey.

Great conversation,
Peace be with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Right, it's not about staying locked in your house on the Sabbath. For the Israelites in the wilderness it wasn't about staying inside their tents all day.

They were told in Deuteronomy to take a shovel and go outside the camp to relieve themselves.

But in Exodus we also read
"Everyone stay in his place. Let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

So the question comes up of how far can you go and still stay in your place?

So the scribes came up with the idea of a Sabbath Day's journey. By the time Acts was written, it was well established enough that the writer can simply use the phrase and Theophilus knows what he means.

But is he just using it as a unit of measurement or is there something deeper going on?

This is something I found amazing just last night as I was researching this, thanks to our conversation here. As iron sharpens iron... it's really true!

At the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem.

But when Jesus ascends into heaven, he and the apostles are all on the Mount of Olives.

I think the explanation is that the Mount of Olives is a Sabbath Day's journey from Jerusalem. So it turns out that being on the Mount of Olives, which is outside the city walls of Jerusalem, still counts as staying in Jerusalem.

So, imo, the opening of Acts lends weight to the idea of a Sabbath day's journey.

Great conversation,
Peace be with you!

It would really help if you posted the scripture, so we are on the same page. Is it possible for you to update your post, so I don't have to hunt for what scripture I think you're indicating? That would be really helpful.

PS- your previous post had scripture showing the apostles traveled a day's journey outside of Jerusalem, so I don't think Jesus is telling the apostles they had to stay in Jerusalem. In fact, Paul and Peter traveled all over spreading the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles as commissioned by Jesus.

 

[Leaf473]

It would really help if you posted the scripture, so we are on the same page. Is it possible for you to update your post, so I don't have to hunt for what scripture I think you're indicating? That would be really helpful.

PS- your previous post had scripture showing the apostles traveled a day's journey outside of Jerusalem, so I don't think Jesus is telling the apostles they had to stay in Jerusalem. In fact, Paul and Peter traveled all over spreading the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles as commissioned by Jesus.

I did post the scripture, are you asking me to post the scripture references?

The chapter-and-verse system is a human tradition that came well over a thousand years after the scriptures were written. The more time goes by, the less of a fan I am of it. It gives the impression that the Bible is intended to be chopped up.

Okay... here we go:

They were told in Deuteronomy to take a shovel and go outside the camp to relieve themselves.
Deuteronomy 23:13

Everyone stay in his place. Let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exodus 16:29

At the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem.
Acts 1:4
(They're supposed to wait in Jerusalem to receive the spirit, not for all time.)

But when Jesus ascends into heaven, he and the apostles are all on the Mount of Olives.
Acts 1:12

Peace, my sister!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I did post the scripture, are you asking me to post the scripture references?

The chapter-and-verse system is a human tradition that came well over a thousand years after the scriptures were written. The more time goes by, the less of a fan I am of it. It gives the impression that the Bible is intended to be chopped up.

Okay... here we go:

They were told in Deuteronomy to take a shovel and go outside the camp to relieve themselves.
Deuteronomy 23:13

Everyone stay in his place. Let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exodus 16:29

At the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem.
Acts 1:4
(They're supposed to wait in Jerusalem to receive the spirit, not for all time.)

But when Jesus ascends into heaven, he and the apostles are all on the Mount of Olives.
Acts 1:12

Peace, my sister!

Can you tell me the point you are trying to make with these scriptures, so I understand? Are you claiming that no one can go out of their house on the Sabbath day or no one can go out of Jerusalem on the Sabbath? I appreciate you posting the references, if you can clarify what you think they mean or the point you are trying to make. Thanks

 

[Leaf473]

Can you tell me the point you are trying to make with these scriptures, so I understand? Are you claiming that no one can go out of their house on the Sabbath day or no one can go out of Jerusalem on the Sabbath? I appreciate you posting the references, if you can clarify what you think they mean or the point you are trying to make. Thanks

The overall point I'm making is that people have different interpretations of the Sabbath commandments. Indeed, all of the commandments.

One of the Sabbath commandments that people interpret differently is the commandment to stay in your place. I don't think anyone thinks this is about not going to synagogue/church on the Sabbath. It's a question of how far can you travel and still keep this commandment, whether to church or synagogue or just out for a stroll.

The reason why I think the opening of Acts and its mention of a Sabbath Day's journey is that it is basically confirming that idea, the idea of only traveling so far on the Sabbath.

Jesus tells the apostles to wait in Jerusalem, then he's hanging out with them on the Mount of Olives. But it turns out it's within a Sabbath Day's journey, so they were actually staying in the place that Jesus told them to stay.

So if a person wishes to keep that commandment, they just stay within a Sabbath Day's journey of their house or wherever their place was that night. And I think that's what Jesus and the disciples probably did:
they just went to a nearby synagogue, something within a short walk from the house where they had stayed the night before.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The overall point I'm making is that people have different interpretations of the Sabbath commandments. Indeed, all of the commandments.

One of the Sabbath commandments that people interpret differently is the commandment to stay in your place. I don't think anyone thinks this is about not going to synagogue/church on the Sabbath. It's a question of how far can you travel and still keep this commandment, whether to church or synagogue or just out for a stroll.

The reason why I think the opening of Acts and its mention of a Sabbath Day's journey is that it is basically confirming that idea, the idea of only traveling so far on the Sabbath.

Jesus tells the apostles to wait in Jerusalem, then he's hanging out with them on the Mount of Olives. But it turns out it's within a Sabbath Day's journey, so they were actually staying in the place that Jesus told them to stay.

So if a person wishes to keep that commandment, they just stay within a Sabbath Day's journey of their house or wherever their place was that night. And I think that's what Jesus and the disciples probably did:
they just went to a nearby synagogue, something within a short walk from the house where they had stayed the night before.

Thanks for clarifying.

I think people have different interpretation only of the Sabbath commandment, not the other nine, because people don't want to obey this commandment, its as simple as that. This commandment involves our time, people have other plans, sports, shopping, friends, chores etc. whatever it is, so they come up with 101 reasons to try to make a unique interpretation instead of just following scripture. No one seems to argue over the other nine commandments and the Ten commandments came in a unit of Ten, all handwritten by our Creator and Savior.

There is no scripture that says we can't go out of our house or travel on the Sabbath. Lets examine the scripture references....

Deuteronomy 23:13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse.

This is referring to cleanliness of the Campsite and nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

This is the problem when taking a scripture out of context. You really need to read the whole passage to understand. This scripture is not saying you have to stay in your house on the Sabbath which contradicts Leviticus 23:3 which tells us the Sabbath is a holy convocation. This passage is telling us that the Lord provided manna for the Israelites and was instructed on the sixth day (the preparation day for the Sabbath) to take double the manna, but on the Sabbath to not go out to gather manna because there will be none. This passage reinforces the Sabbath commandment, not the opposite.


Exodus 16: 22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” 27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


Acts 1:4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

Where does it say that you can only travel a days journey on the Sabbath? First you say you can't leave the house, but now its just a days journey. Those statements seem contradictory and nothing that can be backed by scripture.

Jesus told the apostles:

Acts 1: 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And we see the apostles preaching God's Word on the Sabbath as the example of Jesus all throughout the NT traveling from town to town.

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14

For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21

And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
- Acts 16:13

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (In Corinth- a 1.5 day car drive from Jerusalem to Greece- I can't imagine how many days it would take walking or on a donkey )
- Acts 18:4

I don't see you have made your case in regard to the Sabbath commandment is deleted or altered and now means something completely different than what God commanded and Jesus and the apostles as our example kept. Paul says what matters IS keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19. Jesus kept the commandments and the Sabbath as our example.

God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

Thanks for clarifying.

I think people have different interpretation only of the Sabbath commandment, not the other nine, because people don't want to obey this commandment, its as simple as that. This commandment involves our time, people have other plans, sports, shopping, friends, chores etc. whatever it is, so they come up with 101 reasons to try to make a unique interpretation instead of just following scripture. No one seems to argue over the other nine commandments and the Ten commandments came in a unit of Ten, all handwritten by our Creator and Savior.

There is no scripture that says we can't go out of our house or travel on the Sabbath. Lets examine the scripture references....

Deuteronomy 23:13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse.

This is referring to cleanliness of the Campsite and nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

This is the problem when taking a scripture out of context. You really need to read the whole passage to understand. This scripture is not saying you have to stay in your house on the Sabbath which contradicts Leviticus 23:3 which tells us the Sabbath is a holy convocation. This passage is telling us that the Lord provided manna for the Israelites and was instructed on the sixth day (the preparation day for the Sabbath) to take double the manna, but on the Sabbath to not go out to gather manna because there will be none. This passage reinforces the Sabbath commandment, not the opposite.


Exodus 16: 22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” 27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


Acts 1:4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

Where does it say that you can only travel a days journey on the Sabbath? First you say you can't leave the house, but now its just a days journey. Those statements seem contradictory and nothing that can be backed by scripture.

Jesus told the apostles:

Acts 1: 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And we see the apostles preaching God's Word on the Sabbath as the example of Jesus all throughout the NT traveling from town to town.

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14

For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21

And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
- Acts 16:13

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (In Corinth- Greece it is a 1.5 day drive from Jerusalem to Greece- I can't imagine how many days it would take walking or on a donkey )
- Acts 18:4

I don't see you have made your case in regard to the Sabbath commandment is deleted or altered and now means something completely different than what God commanded and Jesus and the apostles as our example kept. Paul says what matters IS keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19. Jesus kept the commandments and the Sabbath as our example.

God bless.

There are many more than 10 commandments, and people often have a different interpretation of them. The beard trimming commandment is a good example.

You're correct that there is no scripture that says we can't go out of our house or travel on the Sabbath. But I believe the law does provide limits on Sabbath day travel.

You're right that the commandment to relieve yourself outside of the camp isn't specific to the Sabbath, that would happen on every day. I posted it to show that we don't have to stay in our house on the Sabbath.

And I think that's what I have always said, that the commandment isn't to stay in your house or tent on the Sabbath.

Exodus simply says
"Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."
Some people interpret that to mean Don't leave your place in order to gather manna. But walking a long distance for some other reason would be just fine.

But I think it probably means don't leave your place period. But remember, your place is not the same as your house or tent.

But if your place is not your house or tent, what is it?

 

[Leaf473]

Thanks for clarifying.

I think people have different interpretation only of the Sabbath commandment, not the other nine, because people don't want to obey this commandment, its as simple as that. This commandment involves our time, people have other plans, sports, shopping, friends, chores etc. whatever it is, so they come up with 101 reasons to try to make a unique interpretation instead of just following scripture. No one seems to argue over the other nine commandments and the Ten commandments came in a unit of Ten, all handwritten by our Creator and Savior.

There is no scripture that says we can't go out of our house or travel on the Sabbath. Lets examine the scripture references....

Deuteronomy 23:13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse.

This is referring to cleanliness of the Campsite and nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

This is the problem when taking a scripture out of context. You really need to read the whole passage to understand. This scripture is not saying you have to stay in your house on the Sabbath which contradicts Leviticus 23:3 which tells us the Sabbath is a holy convocation. This passage is telling us that the Lord provided manna for the Israelites and was instructed on the sixth day (the preparation day for the Sabbath) to take double the manna, but on the Sabbath to not go out to gather manna because there will be none. This passage reinforces the Sabbath commandment, not the opposite.


Exodus 16: 22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” 27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


Acts 1:4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

Where does it say that you can only travel a days journey on the Sabbath? First you say you can't leave the house, but now its just a days journey. Those statements seem contradictory and nothing that can be backed by scripture.

Jesus told the apostles:

Acts 1: 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And we see the apostles preaching God's Word on the Sabbath as the example of Jesus all throughout the NT traveling from town to town.

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14

For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21

And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
- Acts 16:13

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (In Corinth- Greece it is a 1.5 day drive from Jerusalem to Greece- I can't imagine how many days it would take walking or on a donkey )
- Acts 18:4

I don't see you have made your case in regard to the Sabbath commandment is deleted or altered and now means something completely different than what God commanded and Jesus and the apostles as our example kept. Paul says what matters IS keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19. Jesus kept the commandments and the Sabbath as our example.

God bless.

That brings us to Acts.

In the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the holy Spirit. Does he mean stay in Jerusalem for the rest of their lives? I don't think so, just until they receive the Holy Spirit.

But before they receive the holy Spirit, he is there with them on the Mount of Olives.

How can we explain this? Did they stay in Jerusalem or not? The Mount of Olives is outside the walls of Jerusalem.

The solution to this Bible mystery is that they hadn't left Jerusalem, even though they were outside the walls. That's because they were within a Sabbath Day's journey.

Do you have a better solution to that situation?

 

[Leaf473]

So is the commandment not to leave your place related only to gathering manna?

You can read it as:
Don't leave your place in order to go gather manna. Leaving your place for other reasons is okay.

Or,

Don't leave your place on the Sabbath. Since you are not supposed to leave your place on the Sabbath, don't go out looking for manna on the Sabbath. And because you're not supposed to go out looking for manna on the Sabbath, God will give you twice as much on the day before.

We may wish to remember that "your place" is not "your house" or "your tent".

Peace be with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That brings us to Acts.

In the beginning of Acts, Jesus tells the apostles to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the holy Spirit. Does he mean stay in Jerusalem for the rest of their lives? I don't think so, just until they receive the Holy Spirit.

But before they receive the holy Spirit, he is there with them on the Mount of Olives.

How can we explain this? Did they stay in Jerusalem or not? The Mount of Olives is outside the walls of Jerusalem.

The solution to this Bible mystery is that they hadn't left Jerusalem, even though they were outside the walls. That's because they were within a Sabbath Day's journey.

Do you have a better solution to that situation?

They were commissioned to spread the gospel and would need the Holy Spirit to do this. This is sure a stretch to think this in any way changes the Sabbath commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So is the commandment not to leave your place related only to gathering manna?

You can read it as:
Don't leave your place in order to go gather manna. Leaving your place for other reasons is okay.

Or,

Don't leave your place on the Sabbath. Since you are not supposed to leave your place on the Sabbath, don't go out looking for manna on the Sabbath. And because you're not supposed to go out looking for manna on the Sabbath, God will give you twice as much on the day before.

We may wish to remember that "your place" is not "your house" or "your tent".

Peace be with you!

You have to read the context, which was shared with you. We are to rest from our work on the seventh day, which is why double manna was given on Friday and no manna on the Sabbath. They were not supposed to leave their tent to look for manna on the Sabbath day because there would be none. This is what the scriptures says.

There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we have to stay inside our homes all day long. Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath commandment and was preaching the Word on the Sabbath day as our example which agrees with Exodus 20:8-11 and Lev. 23:3 Luke 4:16-22, Acts 18:4.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand this concept about the Sabbath only being in Jerusalem or a days journey from Jerusalem, I already showed you through scripture that’s not true Acts 18:4. Scripture doesn’t contradict scripture.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There are many more than 10 commandments, and people often have a different interpretation of them. The beard trimming commandment is a good example.

You're correct that there is no scripture that says we can't go out of our house or travel on the Sabbath. But I believe the law does provide limits on Sabbath day travel.

You're right that the commandment to relieve yourself outside of the camp isn't specific to the Sabbath, that would happen on every day. I posted it to show that we don't have to stay in our house on the Sabbath.

And I think that's what I have always said, that the commandment isn't to stay in your house or tent on the Sabbath.

Exodus simply says
"Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."
Some people interpret that to mean Don't leave your place in order to gather manna. But walking a long distance for some other reason would be just fine.

But I think it probably means don't leave your place period. But remember, your place is not the same as your house or tent.

But if your place is not your house or tent, what is it?

Where is bread trimming in the Ten Commandments?

 

[Leaf473]

They were commissioned to spread the gospel and would need the Holy Spirit to do this. This is sure a stretch to think this in any way changes the Sabbath commandment.

Well, I'm sure you agree the passage uses the phrase "a Sabbath day's journey".

What is your explanation of a Sabbath day's journey?

 

[Leaf473]

You have to read the context, which was shared with you. We are to rest from our work on the seventh day, which is why double manna was given on Friday and no manna on the Sabbath. They were not supposed to leave their tent to look for manna on the Sabbath day because there would be none. This is what the scriptures says.

There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we have to stay inside our homes all day long. Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath commandment and was preaching the Word on the Sabbath day as our example which agrees with Exodus 20:8-11 and Lev. 23:3 Luke 4:16-22, Acts 18:4.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand this concept about the Sabbath only being in Jerusalem or a days journey from Jerusalem, I already showed you through scripture that’s not true Acts 18:4. Scripture doesn’t contradict scripture.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Do the scriptures say that the Israelites were not to leave their tents to look for manna on the Sabbath? Or not to leave their place to look for manna? (Or something else?)

When you say "...this concept about the Sabbath only being in Jerusalem ...", are you referring to the idea of the start of the Sabbath being fixed to evening in Jerusalem? If so, we should probably talk about that on the thread that we were on previously, the thread where that subject is discussed in detail. If you're not comfortable returning to that thread, we could start a fresh one.

We can stop if you want. I would recommend just taking it one step at a time.

I'm reading these things in your posts such as we can't leave our homes on the Sabbath or the Sabbath is only in Jerusalem. It sounds like these are things you believe that I have said? If you look through my posts, I think you will see that I didn't say those things.

If we take things one step at a time, hopefully we can resolve these misunderstandings. I would recommend taking as the first step what you believe about "a Sabbath Day's journey".

Peace be with you!

 

[Leaf473]

Where is bread trimming in the Ten Commandments?

Beard trimming isn't in the ten commandments, as far as I know. (But you'd be surprised what the rabbis who speak fluent biblical Hebrew and spend years pouring over the text are able to find I once heard a podcast devoted to the subject of how small of a portion of the Torah is still considered the Torah. The answer is 88 characters. And believe it or not, that answer was related to the Sabbath commandment.)

As I understand the OP, this thread is about which commandments Jesus is referring to when he says "...my commandments".

One of the things I said while discussing the OP is that people have different interpretations of the commandments. I was referring to all of the commandments from Genesis to Deuteronomy. Of course, that would include the beard trimming commandment.

Peace again, my sister!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Beard trimming isn't in the ten commandments, as far as I know. (But you'd be surprised what the rabbis who speak fluent biblical Hebrew and spend years pouring over the text are able to find I once heard a podcast devoted to the subject of how small of a portion of the Torah is still considered the Torah. The answer is 88 characters. And believe it or not, that answer was related to the Sabbath commandment.)

As I understand the OP, this thread is about which commandments Jesus is referring to when he says "...my commandments".

One of the things I said while discussing the OP is that people have different interpretations of the commandments. I was referring to all of the commandments from Genesis to Deuteronomy. Of course, that would include the beard trimming commandment.

Peace again, my sister!

This is where we end up every time- where you don’t see the difference between the Ten Commandments, personally written by God from the other instructions given to Israel by Moses in some of the ceremonial laws. You think all laws are the same, bread trimming to only worshipping God. That’s your choice. I believe there are some foundational teaching of scriptures and if you miss understanding their significance, you misunderstand the Bible. The Ten Commandments being one of these foundational teachings of scriptures.

John Wesley seems to understand this as well, which I agree with him.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

As usual we will agree to disagree.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do the scriptures say that the Israelites were not to leave their tents to look for manna on the Sabbath? Or not to leave their place to look for manna? (Or something else?)

When you say "...this concept about the Sabbath only being in Jerusalem ...", are you referring to the idea of the start of the Sabbath being fixed to evening in Jerusalem? If so, we should probably talk about that on the thread that we were on previously, the thread where that subject is discussed in detail. If you're not comfortable returning to that thread, we could start a fresh one.

We can stop if you want. I would recommend just taking it one step at a time.

I'm reading these things in your posts such as we can't leave our homes on the Sabbath or the Sabbath is only in Jerusalem. It sounds like these are things you believe that I have said? If you look through my posts, I think you will see that I didn't say those things.

If we take things one step at a time, hopefully we can resolve these misunderstandings. I would recommend taking as the first step what you believe about "a Sabbath Day's journey".

Peace be with you!

No I’m not interested in going down this rabbit hole that the Sabbath has never correctly been kept, that Jesus never kept the Sabbath correctly or anyone in scripture and all the Jews from the time of Jesus have no knowledge of this “secret Sabbath keeping times” but only one person who understand the Sabbath is trying to sell a book for profit and is using confusing charts and graphs on IDL that goes against the clear Word of God. No thanks.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, I'm sure you agree the passage uses the phrase "a Sabbath day's journey".

What is your explanation of a Sabbath day's journey?

It’s a statement of how far they traveled. The apostles went to Greece/Rome and kept the Sabbath which is more than a days journey, not sure the point you are trying to make or how this contradicts all the teachings we have on the Sabbath and the Sabbath commandment.

 

[Leaf473]

This is where we end up every time- where you don’t see the difference between the Ten Commandments, personally written by God from the other instructions given to Israel by Moses in some of the ceremonial laws. You think all laws are the same, bread trimming to only worshipping God. That’s your choice. I believe there are some foundational teaching of scriptures and if you miss understanding their significance, you misunderstand the Bible. The Ten Commandments being one of these foundational teachings of scriptures.

John Wesley seems to understand this as well, which I agree with him.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

As usual we will agree to disagree.

I do see a difference between the ten commandments and the rest of the commandments.

The thread topic is about Jesus' commandments, and as part of that I was talking about all of the commandments from Genesis to Deuteronomy.

So... Did you want to talk about "a Sabbath Day's journey" from the book of Acts?

 

[Leaf473]

No I’m not interested in going down this rabbit hole that the Sabbath has never correctly been kept, that Jesus never kept the Sabbath correctly or anyone in scripture and all the Jews from the time of Jesus have no knowledge of this “secret Sabbath keeping times” but only one person who understand the Sabbath is trying to sell a book for profit and is using confusing charts and graphs on IDL that goes against the clear Word of God. No thanks.

I'm not interested in talking about those things, either.

Are you interested in talking about a Sabbath day's journey?