Jesuits

[Rhamiel]

That's how witch hunts start...

is it really a witch hunt to show that there have been concerns?

I already brought up the example of Liberation Theology
many Jesuits in Latin America supported Liberation Theology that has been discouraged by Pope John Paul II

 

[S.ilvio]

I support many aspects of Liberation Theology.

The original advocates of LT had the courage to stand up to the then Hierarchy of the 1950's who were neglectful in calling out the acts of gross social injustice that were indoctrinated into Latin American Government structures.

Local Priests, many of whom were Jesuits became a voice for those who were forever voiceless as they were exploited by the elites. As did leaders from other strata of society, such as Marxist groups. There was a shared experience of injustice and this made many people in the Vatican upper echelons very uneasy. Hence many within the inner sanctum disowning the LT leaders.

Some would say it was an opportunity for Opus Dei to turn up the heat on the Jesuits. We may never know the whole story. However, I stand by many of the central tenets of the LT principles...

 

[mark46]

And I think it would have been better to leave it at that , for I have a hunch , OBOB going downhill as it is , that this thread will be just another opportunity for offensive comments .

In the meantime may the Saints and Beati of the Society of Jesus pray for us......

Amen

 

[mark46]

Given that our Holy Father is a Jesuit, I would put CathoilicCulture.Org in the danger category and ignore their site.

CatholicCulture.Org's website review of them puts them in the danger category. Here's what they say about the America website:

Description
This is the official home page of America, a weekly "Catholic" magazine published by the Jesuits. It contains news, analysis, opinion, commentary on the Sunday Scripture readings, and reviews of books, films, and TV. America Press, Inc., the publisher of America magazine, also sponsors a Catholic book of the month club specializing in theology and spirituality.

The site itself contains selected articles from the current issue and a complete archive of past issues. There are numerous articles on this site, and many of them should be read only with extreme caution. Some of the authors and material directly oppose or undermine the Church's teachings and authority.

Review Ratings
First Evaluated: 10/13/1999; Last Updated: 09/16/2013

1. Fidelity:
   
   Danger!
2. Resources: Poor
3. Useability: Excellent

Strengths
None Reported.

Weaknesses

• Fidelity: Articles which undermine the Church's teachings Example(s)
• Fidelity: Questionable Book of the Month Club selections

(Source)​

 

[mark46]

is it really a witch hunt to show that there have been concerns?

I already brought up the example of Liberation Theology
many Jesuits in Latin America supported Liberation Theology that has been discouraged by Pope John Paul II

I suspect that this pope understand liberation theology very well. Perhaps, we might see if he rejects all their ideas, especially those involving economics and helping the poor.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Given that our Holy Father is a Jesuit, I would put CathoilicCulture.Org in the danger category and ignore their site.

Pope Francis is a Catholic, and CatholicCulture.Org is a Catholic website.

 

[mark46]

Pope Francis is a Catholic, and CatholicCulture.Org is a Catholic website.

There are probably thousands of Catholic web sites. That doesn't mean that they speak for the Church or are consistent with its teachings.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

There are probably thousands of Catholic web sites. That doesn't mean that they speak for the Church or are consistent with its teachings.

There are different kinds of Jesuits, but there is only one Pope Francis.

 

[paul becke]

It's going to be true of any cerebal order, such as the Jesuits and the Dominicans, that they will have both brilliantly wise members and superficially brilliant ones, for whom it was always simply an alternative to a secular career (something J-P II warned against). These latter are likely to be very popular and write many books, but can leave the priesthood. Still, it would obviously be wrong to imagine that Jesuit and Dominican authors were necessarily rogues and vagabonds in sheep's clothing.

We've been very lucky with our Jesuits attached to the Sacred Heart church in Edinburgh, I think, though I've only returned recently, after several years. I also have a very good friend in Australia I admire greatly, who served as a university chaplain, prison chaplain and latterly attached to an old folks' home; past retirement age, I think, but in such good health, he soldiers on.

 

[bill5]

CatholicCulture.Org's website review of them puts them in the danger category.

I don't see what significance that has. Anyone can start up a web site and praise or trash others.

That's how witch hunts start...

And this is the flip side....a web site not liking them or disagreeing with them doesn't make them "witch hunters."

Jesuits are the intellectual arm of the Catholic Church. They help keep the Church from becoming just another religious institution.

Because........


As you might gather, offhand I'm neutral on the Jesuits but the thread has renewed my interest in finding out more (from as UNBIASED of sources as I can muster...and I will find on my own, thanks ). I don't say any of you are right or wrong per se, but frankly all I see are opinions so far. Nothing wrong with that, so long as they are taken as such.

Anyway, thanks for the interesting thread Rhamiel!

 

[Rhamiel]

Bill, I am with you there, I am mostly neutral

I have heard good stuff from Jesuits and I have heard bad stuff
most of the bad stuff is connected to American Magazine and Liberation Theology

most of the good stuff I have heard has been to their devotion to education in Catholic schools all over the world

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Bill, I am with you there, I am mostly neutral

I have heard good stuff from Jesuits and I have heard bad stuff
most of the bad stuff is connected to American Magazine and Liberation Theology

most of the good stuff I have heard has been to their devotion to education in Catholic schools all over the world

Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN is one of the good examples of a Jesuit.

 

[S.ilvio]

Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN is one of the good examples of a Jesuit.

Maybe someone could draw up a list of the good Jesuits and the devil worshipping Marxist Jesuits..?

 

[Colin]

Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN is one of the good examples of a Jesuit.

Do you know any Jesuits personally , or is your "knowledge" of them based on hearsay ?

Real-life Jesuits in Britain......http://www.jesuit.org.uk/jesuits-profiles

 

[Colin]

Dp

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The Jesuits hold a very important place in our Canadian history; their very early mission work, their establishment of schools such as the University of Windsor, and the Canadian Martyrs. I have met a number of SJ Clergy as well and those I have heard preach, are among the best preachers in the CC.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Do you know any Jesuits personally , or is your "knowledge" of them based on hearsay ?

I only know that they generally have a reputation for being liberal. But I know that Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN isn't like that. So if most Jesuits are liberal not all of them are. There was a Jesuit at my parish when I was first converting to Catholicism, and he seemed like a good priest. I still remember his advice when I asked him if the Heavy Metal music I was listening to at the time was permitted in Catholicism. He said music is good as long as it doesn't cause you to start drifting away from your faith. So, from what he said, I realized that it was something that I had to stop doing.

 

[Colin]

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I only know that they generally have a reputation for being liberal. But I know that Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN isn't like that.

So if most are liberal not all of them are.
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So in other words your knowledge of the Jesuits is paltry .

 

[Colin]

The Jesuits hold a very important place in our Canadian history; their very early mission work, their establishment of schools such as the University of Windsor, and the Canadian Martyrs. I have met a number of SJ Clergy as well and those I have heard preach, are among the best preachers in the CC.

Thanks .

Those who know Jesuits hold them in high esteem .

 

[LivingWordUnity]

So in other words your knowledge of the Jesuits is paltry.

I never claimed to be an expert on the Jesuits. I said they generally have a reputation for being liberal. I provided a Catholic website that is pretty reputable that gives a review of the Jesuit website America. It says in the review that the website has fidelity problems and gives a few examples. I said that if most Jesuits are liberal, I know that not all are. And I gave an example of an orthodox Jesuit priest, one that is well-known since he's on EWTN.