Jane Does vs Liberty University

[bekkilyn]

They already showed their light by punishing rape victims. Christians have the opportunity to show their light by denouncing Liberty and many here are choosing to be mad at the messenger rather than Liberty. Would you like to destroy your Christian witness and try to explain how Liberty punishing rape victims could be in any constituted as Christlike?

Yes, I agree that what Liberty allegedly did in discouraging rape victims from coming forward was atrocious and something definitely needs to be done. But now with the lawsuit and everything coming into the public eye, they have a choice to make. They can choose to double down or they could choose to make positive changes that could end up making a huge difference for the welfare and safety of students in the future. I haven't personally been a big fan of Liberty myself, but I would be impressed if they made some serious and sincere efforts to positive change, regardless of the future outcome of the actual court case.

 

[rjs330]

That would have been unnecessary. The readers got the point that they were meant to get--it's at a Christian college where such things happen.

As other readers here already noted, it's no coincidence that it was a Christian-affiliated college that was held up as the 'bad egg' example rather than any of the many public colleges and universities on whose campuses similar incidents regularly occur.

I think it's fair though, since Liberty University claims to be a Christian University. When you don't uphold good Christian values and treat people like this under the name of Christ, I think you deserve to be criticized heavily.

I'm not so sure about this University anymore with all it's issues. I am Wondering if they have forgeighted their "Christian" title.

 

[public hermit]

And at the least, it gives some people online the opportunity to scorn those awful Christians, doesn't it?

The fact that the same thing and worse takes place at a hundred other but not church-affiliated colleges is not worth creating a new thread, that's for sure.

Boo! That's a terrible response. I give it a 1 out of 10 because you can spell and form sentences.

 

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[Albion]

I think it's fair though, since Liberty University claims to be a Christian University. When you don't uphold good Christian values and treat people like this under the name of Christ, I think you deserve to be criticized heavily.

I'm not so sure about this University anymore with all it's issues. I am Wondering if they have forgeighted their "Christian" title.

I hear you. Really. And I have no particular interest in Liberty University myself. It's more about the reason for such a thread as that one to be created. It cannot be because the events are big news or of universal interest. And it's not because the events truly shocked the thread's author. They go on daily at a hundred radical universities with the full knowledge of their administrators.

It's done in order to gloat. Look, everyone...Christians doing wrong and being caught at it! And of course, there isn't really anything to discuss or debate anyway on this "Discussion and Debate" forum since it isn't as though there's another side to the story and someone is eager to defend the wrongdoing.

 

[Sketcher]

Having read quite a bit about these cases, it’s far worse.

Larry Nassar - Wikipedia
His boss himself turned out to be a sex offender too:
USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal - Wikipedia
And it was allowed to continue for 20 years.

 

[durangodawood]

I hear you. Really. And I have no particular interest in Liberty University myself. It's more about the reason for such a thread as that one to be created. It cannot be because the events are big news or of universal interest. And it's not because the events truly shocked the thread's author. They go on daily at a hundred radical universities with the full knowledge of their administrators.

It's done in order to gloat. Look, everyone...Christians doing wrong and being caught at it! And of course, there isn't really anything to discuss or debate anyway on this "Discussion and Debate" forum since it isn't as though there's another side to the story and someone is eager to defend the wrongdoing.

I think its more about the moral backwardness that underlies so much of cultural conservatism, and not about Christians per se.

 

[Albion]

I think its more about the moral backwardness that underlies so much of cultural conservatism, and not about Christians per se.

Easy to say, yet it's the ideology of the political left that makes immorality and lawlessness its stock in trade. The issue with the political right--contrary to your theory!--is that some of those people who DO make morality, tolerance, and respect for law part of their their code of conduct have been known to violate those principles.

You can call them hypocrites for that reason, but it's not as though "moral backwardness" underlies that part of the political spectrum as you were trying to say it does.

Even so, my earlier criticism remains. It's not that something immoral or illegal didn't go on at Liberty University. Rather, it was that there was nothing surprising about that particular news story being grabbed onto like a bear on honey while many more and worse incidents elsewhere were studiously ignored.

 

[Sparagmos]

Larry Nassar - Wikipedia
His boss himself turned out to be a sex offender too:
USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal - Wikipedia
And it was allowed to continue for 20 years.

Oooh yeah that story boils my blood! We know there are sick pedophiles a d rapists out there, it’s the people who protect them that are even more disturbing.

 

[Sketcher]

Oooh yeah that story boils my blood! We know there are sick pedophiles a d rapists out there, it’s the people who protect them that are even more disturbing.

As well it should.
All at a very secular university, but my real point is that whatever trends that colleges and universities had been following and have entrenched into their systems that were intended to prevent and deal with these crimes have not been working. The taxpayers need to demand that students and the surrounding communities be safe, and that reporting is properly handled. The solution obviously shouldn't be one accusation and it's all over for you, since there are vindictive liars out there who have been caught too. But students and taxpayers are told that they should trust the systems the universities have in place when those systems clearly are not working.

 

[Sparagmos]

As well it should.
All at a very secular university, but my real point is that whatever trends that colleges and universities had been following and have entrenched into their systems that were intended to prevent and deal with these crimes have not been working. The taxpayers need to demand that students and the surrounding communities be safe, and that reporting is properly handled. The solution obviously shouldn't be one accusation and it's all over for you, since there are vindictive liars out there who have been caught too. But students and taxpayers are told that they should trust the systems the universities have in place when those systems clearly are not working.

The system at Liberty is completely different though. You can’t lump them in with the others. Have you read the details? No public college has those types of policies or literally fines the women who report rape.

 

[wing2000]

It's done in order to gloat. Look, everyone...Christians doing wrong and being caught at it! And of course, there isn't really anything to discuss or debate anyway on this "Discussion and Debate" forum since it isn't as though there's another side to the story and someone is eager to defend the wrongdoing.

You presume to know the motives of the op?

 

[Kettriken]

I hear you. Really. And I have no particular interest in Liberty University myself. It's more about the reason for such a thread as that one to be created. It cannot be because the events are big news or of universal interest. And it's not because the events truly shocked the thread's author. They go on daily at a hundred radical universities with the full knowledge of their administrators.

It's done in order to gloat. Look, everyone...Christians doing wrong and being caught at it! And of course, there isn't really anything to discuss or debate anyway on this "Discussion and Debate" forum since it isn't as though there's another side to the story and someone is eager to defend the wrongdoing.

It's noteworthy not only that sexual assaults occur at a Christian school, but that the administrators do such a bad and backwards job at handling the issue. Either of those alone are worthy of discussion and, ideally, problem solving. Debate, obviously should not be necessary, yet here you are.

 

[rjs330]

It's noteworthy not only that sexual assaults occur at a Christian school, but that the administrators do such a bad and backwards job at handling the issue. Either of those alone are worthy of discussion and, ideally, problem solving. Debate, obviously should not be necessary, yet here you are.

Wait he's not debating that. Please read his posts more carefully before making wrongful accusations or insinuations.

 

[Kettriken]

Wait he's not debating that. Please read his posts more carefully before making wrongful accusations or insinuations.

My post implied, as did his, that he was debating the utility of discussing the issue, at least in this forum. I didn't think anyone would read my post as accusing him of debating the horror of sexual assault, presumably what you are objecting to. My apologies if I have missed the mark on your concerns.

 

[Albion]

My post implied, as did his, that he was debating the utility of discussing the issue, at least in this forum.

Nope. It was true that you completely missed what I was saying.

 

[Kettriken]

Nope. It was true that you completely missed what I was saying.

If correction is needed, it would be much more helpful if correction is actually given.

 

[Albion]

If correction is needed, it would be much more helpful if correction is actually given.

That misses the point of it, too! Why don't you just read the post again.

 

[Kettriken]

How can a request for clarification miss the point?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

It is not reasonable to expect university administration to handle matters like this. This is an issue for police and courts. Period.