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I would think that the Bishop of New York City would rank higher than the Bishop of Toledo.
Just still doesn't make sense to me.
James and the congregation sent Peter out with Barny(sic). If James didn't out-rank Peter, how could he do that.
My Deacon ain't gonna tell my Pastor where to go. (literally OR figuratively!!
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GodBless
Just still doesn't make sense to me.
James and the congregation sent Peter out with Barny(sic). If James didn't out-rank Peter, how could he do that.
My Deacon ain't gonna tell my Pastor where to go. (literally OR figuratively!!
)GodBless
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I would think that the Bishop of New York City would rank higher than the Bishop of Toledo.
Just still doesn't make sense to me.
James and the congregation sent Peter out with Barny(sic). If James didn't out-rank Peter, how could he do that.
My Deacon ain't gonna tell my Pastor where to go. (literally OR figuratively!!
GodBless
Tis not the place, but where the successors [persons] reside.
Rome ended up the spot.
Which by no coincidence the Jews thot the Messiah would come and rule over Rome...[who held them down - so to speak]
It worked out He did as He promised. Neat huh?
Nevertheless, Peter was not sent out.
Acts 15 says Paul, Silas, Barsabus [aka Judas], and Barnabus were sent out.
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Stand corrected about Peter....it was Paul...and barsy(sic) not Barny (sic)!!!
SEE??!!!
That's why I'm here!!! To learn!!!
LYMI
SEE??!!!
That's why I'm here!!! To learn!!!
LYMI
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Anglian
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Dear Hortysir,
St. James, the Just, was, as has been said, the leader of the Church in Jerusalem. He held the Faith to be the culmination of the Judaism he had been brought up in, and was clearly suspicious of St. Paul's rather free table fellowship with Gentiles. St. Peter, although an Apostle to the Jews, was also an Apostle to the Gentiles, and found himself between the two Apostles on the issue of table fellowship, pulling back when St. James insisted; but with St. James also moderating the demands that might be made on Gentile converts. If only their successors could have managed their disagreements that well.
St. James was murdered in c. AD 62 by Jewish zealots; Josephus gives a vivid description which is taken up by Eusebius. Many held that the fate of Jerusalem in AD 70 was the result of the murder of this pious and holy man. With the destruction of the Temple and the dispersion of the Jewish community, St. James's tradition gradually faded out, which helps account for the relatively poor deal he gets from the Church Fathers. The Jewish Christianity he championed died away, and it was the Gentile missions of St. Paul and St. Peter which paved the way for the early Church.
St. Jerome was the first to call him the cousin of Christ. The early Church tended to believe he was the son of St. Joseph's first marriage, a tradition preserved in the early second century Protoevangelion of St. James which you can find here:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/infancyjames.html
He was revered as a man so pious that his knees were said to resemble those of the camel, so hardened were they by the time he spent at prayer.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
Anglian
St. James, the Just, was, as has been said, the leader of the Church in Jerusalem. He held the Faith to be the culmination of the Judaism he had been brought up in, and was clearly suspicious of St. Paul's rather free table fellowship with Gentiles. St. Peter, although an Apostle to the Jews, was also an Apostle to the Gentiles, and found himself between the two Apostles on the issue of table fellowship, pulling back when St. James insisted; but with St. James also moderating the demands that might be made on Gentile converts. If only their successors could have managed their disagreements that well.
St. James was murdered in c. AD 62 by Jewish zealots; Josephus gives a vivid description which is taken up by Eusebius. Many held that the fate of Jerusalem in AD 70 was the result of the murder of this pious and holy man. With the destruction of the Temple and the dispersion of the Jewish community, St. James's tradition gradually faded out, which helps account for the relatively poor deal he gets from the Church Fathers. The Jewish Christianity he championed died away, and it was the Gentile missions of St. Paul and St. Peter which paved the way for the early Church.
St. Jerome was the first to call him the cousin of Christ. The early Church tended to believe he was the son of St. Joseph's first marriage, a tradition preserved in the early second century Protoevangelion of St. James which you can find here:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/infancyjames.html
He was revered as a man so pious that his knees were said to resemble those of the camel, so hardened were they by the time he spent at prayer.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
Anglian
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Rhamiel
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this is good, from the NT and early Church history it was not like a deacon/pastor relationship between Peter and James, and the Catholic Church never tried to make it look like that, all the apostal were very important in the work that Jesus had for them. Peter was first among equals, not because he was sent to Rome but because Jesus picked him to be the leader, not the president of the apostles but the first among themI would think that the Bishop of New York City would rank higher than the Bishop of Toledo.
Just still doesn't make sense to me.
James and the congregation sent Peter out with Barny(sic). If James didn't out-rank Peter, how could he do that.
My Deacon ain't gonna tell my Pastor where to go. (literally OR figuratively!!
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St John Chrysostom says St Peter was the teacher, the leader, the shepherd..etc.
I dont know of anyone in history to call Peter the first among equals, but i have looked and will look again.
I also asked the EO where this came from, and historically that answer is quiet.
But maybe i need to read more.
Which is always fascinating to me anyway.
I dont know of anyone in history to call Peter the first among equals, but i have looked and will look again.
I also asked the EO where this came from, and historically that answer is quiet.
But maybe i need to read more.
Which is always fascinating to me anyway.
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LivingWordUnity
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Martin Luther certainly showed James no respect by calling his epistle, "an epistle of straw". Luther also tried to throw out James from the Protestant canon because it didn't agree with his "faith alone" doctrine. Fortunately, other Protestants disagreed with him on that, and so today's Protestant Bibles still have the epistle of James.
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That's true livingword.
He wanted it removed as well as the other books he put in the back of his Bible.
[The Deuterocanicals]
God have mercy on his soul.
He wanted it removed as well as the other books he put in the back of his Bible.
[The Deuterocanicals]
God have mercy on his soul.
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