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People have to have a scapegoat and so of course its Gods fault. If people would think, Jesus is our example, the way He walked while on earth, how He dealt with people, the love He showed, etc. but what sick person that came to Him did He turn down or really what person who came to Him did He say, oh sorry today isnt your day, come back next Thurs. and we will check and see or to whom did He flat out say, NO, I will not heal you, I absolutely refuse. Maybe it was the man with leprosy ? hum, no I think He healed him. This is how I think of it. Lets say I have 10 kids (thank God I dont ) but lets say I do and they all get sick and lets say I had the ability to heal them all, now if I choose 5 to heal but l chose 5 to stay sick and become so frail they die wouldnt I be named a really horrible parent by other people, maybe land in jail for abuse or neglect but yet thats what we accuse a Holy, Righteous and loving God of doing. Why does that make sense. Am I just looking at God wrong ?? Am I seeing Him wrong as my Father ? Do I just have things all wrong ? I know my earthly dad would of never done such a thing.

Okay ..but again..God doesnt heal all people , He just doesn't -- andits not about having a scape goat its just God sovereignty. He is god and we are not, his own word says he chooses to have mercy on whom he will have mercy...
 
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Well, when Jesus healed that blind man who was blind from birth, He made it clear that no one's sin was the reason why the man was born blind. He did not blame it on the man's parents. Also, we have cases of women in the Bible not being able to have children . . . at first . . . but it is not indicated that they were against God.

But we have James 5:16 >

"Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

And in certain cases Jesus did seem, to me, to say someone was forgiven and therefore healed; and do not sin any more or else a worse thing could come upon you. Also, we see how demon-possessed people could have major medical problems connected with being demon possessed.

So - - how is it, then, now, that if anyone has medical issues, ones always assume that every one could not possibly have any sin problem, at all, which could at least . . . somehow . . . be contributing to their problems? If you get the diagnosis right, often enough, now you can understand what you need to do . . . what will work. So, why ever would people just automatically deny . . . every time . . . that any medical problem could not possibly have some sort of sin involved????

I mean . . . we all are not perfect; we all can do ourselves in, then, somehow . . . more or less . . . including by being automatically in denial about how sin can mess in us.

But I think I have needed to understand, in my praying, that James 5:16 means how God has us doing this, or it won't work.

Among other things . . . if we pick and choose what we dictate is wrong or not . . . "obviously", this "might" not work. And in case we try to use confessing and prayer for convenience, so then we can live the lives we want to live . . . this, too, needs to be confessed!!

And then there is the deception about emotions. There are people who actually are pushing that no emotional troubles could ever be because of sin. But I have discovered that the Bible says Satan's spirit "now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. So, every disobedient person, I now consider, has the evil spirit of disobedience working in that person to get him or her to disobey God. And I consider that, even though I am not a child of Satan . . . still, his wicked spirit can find my weak spots and get the better of me.

And Satan has emotions, and his evil and selfish and pleasure seeking and dictatorial spirit's emotions can work very hard to drive people to seek pleasure and to argue and seek revenge and to self-righteously criticize others < like I still can, often hiding this only in my imagination > and his lying spirit can have us enforcing our denial.

There are ways of reacting which are directly anti-love and how Jesus would have us relating >

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

And there are passions and emotions and stinking thinking and cruel feelings which are designed to keep us from being deeply quiet with God in sensitive sharing with Him in His own love.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

I offer that these negative and wrong things are not only medical problems.

But ones can handle healing in the wrong way. I have known people who will preach and scream healing . . . but while in themselves they are not in love's "gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (in 1 Peter 3:4)

And so, we might consider what healing James 5:16 is talking about. We can be "healed" of whatever in us makes us able to sin, and in sin's weakness makes us able give in to troubling emotions so we suffer in various nasty and cruel feelings. And the nag-ative messing which can drive us to use pleasures to make us feel better, and try to feel something different, by seeking excitement and entertainment - - instead of getting real correction (Hebrews 12:4-11) so we enjoy Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30). And so James 5:16 means, I now think, becoming "healed" together with God in His own love (Romans 5:5) which is all-loving and therefore will have us also loving any and all people as ourselves . . . not only loving our favorite family people and friends and people we use > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46).

So, we're not talking only about managing anger and evil desires and drives. But God is almighty to easily get rid of that messing and nasty stuff. I have been involved in various sorts of perversion and cruelty, in my past, and things of that can come back to violate me. But I understand that it is not God's will for me to only hold it in or find some so-called way to express it creatively. But trust God to flush that stuff to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone, and do not have anything to do with it. And at times in moments God has removed wicked and evil things, so cleanly that moments later I forgot I had the problem. And so, since I forgot I had the trouble, I would not remember to thank Him!! And He would need to remind me so I could thank Him :)

But what really works is not only miraculous removal, but becoming strong in the character of God's love, which makes us naturally immune to sin-sick stuff. This comes with growing in Jesus > Galatians 4:19 > so that, more and more, we are "strong in the Lord and in the power of His might." (in Ephesians 6:10)

So, what is really heretical is to use healing to make a name for myself and make money. And it is heretical to try to get healed only so I can do what I want. It is heretical to try to get healed, but not first being interested in pleasing God. So, in case a ministry is promoting healing mainly so you can get what God has for you . . . this is helping people to be mainly concerned about themselves, instead of caring as much about others as themselves, and they are not first about being pleasing to our Father. So, this would be heretical.

But, also, it could be heretical to be telling people that their personality trouble could not possibly have sin involved . . . when in fact the Bible says that Satan's evil spirit (Ephesians 2:2) does work in "the sons of disobedience". And there are various personality problem things which do keep people from obeying how God would have us please Him and love any and all people as ourselves. And you might consider how ones can throw this out, then get nowhere in trying to diagnose and treat personality problems and addictions. If you do not diagnose a problem correctly, how can you understand what is needed and what does work????

God's correction works > Hebrews 12:4-11 counsels us to actively seek our Father for His correction.

God's love "casts out fear, because fear involves torment" (1 John 4:18). At the root of personality torments, I keep finding there always is some sort of fear. Now, if this is correct . . . you get rid of the torment, only by means of how God's love gets rid of the fear at the root of the torment. Plus, it gets rid of however the torment could be contributing to medical issues.

James 5:16 works > mutual confession with mutual healing prayer. This, I understand, is mainly for healing which is spiritual, I consider > including getting "healed" of what is spiritually wrong character and the emotional trouble which comes because of the evil spirit of disobedience sharing Satanic, unloving emotions with people >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

God's love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5) shares with us His own sweetly soothing immunity almighty against sin-sick stuff. But this does not come only with instant quick-fix physical miracles, but with correction and curing of our nature in this love. And then the Holy Spirit of resurrection will effect our bodies, howsoever He pleases. But most of all is how we need to become, in our nature so we are sweetly pleasing to our Father >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

This is great, I actually agree with this because we have a big and wide family tree full of members we dont know and never met, meaning we dont know the lifestyle they lead, meaning their sin could have been passed down to us. This is know as a generational curse/ sin and most times you yourself have to break it.
 
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I've read reports regarding a few holistic clinics doctors which were successful in treating severe illness without the normal drugs most western type doctors use those Dr. had unexpected deaths. Most know that the prescriptions are a very big business that doesn't want it known that another method could cure. Sad!
I've been to several of them, studying, learning, in the past few decades. The people are VERY HAPPY INSTEAD OF WORRIED. And the reality and the opportunity to heal instead of getting worse, and instead of even worse side effects, and instead of extravagant ridiculous high costs.

It is noteworthy that EVEN REGULAR DOCTORS,

if they are honest,

cost a lot less and often work(treat a pt) for free, as Y'SHUA said to HIS disciples and those who wanted to be HIS disciples. Yes,
and YHWH has healed, YHWH is the HEALER, even when someone goes to regular doctors,
or holistic clinics;
simply the holistic clinics, when done right, "DO NO HARM" while healing,
whereas most (worldly) regular doctors "DO HARM FIRST, MUCH HARM",
regardless of healing(with or without), EVEN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO HARM.
 
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When high priests had to have a ball and chain around their leg before going into the holy place just incase they sinned and died while in side..
In case they died, like Ananias and Sapphira died ? Ananias first, and then after him Sapphira were simply carried out horizontal by two or more men.

How many high priests died while in the HOLY OF HOLIES ? (none that I know of).

So we have it much much MUCH. Easier..
There is a lot that indicates otherwise, both in Scripture, like Ananias and Sapphira, and in plain old real life all around us - Y'SHUA spoke of much that would be worse and widespread evil TODAY - that it is so evil, if YHWH did not "shorten the days" NO ONE WOULD SURVIVE.
 
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Okay ..but again..God doesnt heal all people , He just doesn't -- andits not about having a scape goat its just God sovereignty. He is god and we are not, his own word says he chooses to have mercy on whom he will have mercy...

You must not of read everything I said. I see you are single so assuming you have no children maybe you dont quite understand the example from a parent point of view but still you should understand the concept even if you are young. In the New Covenant I didnt see one time when someone came to Jesus that He refused them healing. The God I love and serve is a loving Father who sent His Son to die for our sins, to break the curses and He said...
Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Matthew 8:17
This fulfilled the word of the Lord through the prophet Isaiah, who said, “He took our sicknesses and removed our diseases.”
James 5:14-15
Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord. Such a prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make you well. And if you have committed any sins, you will be forgiven.
1 Peter 2:24
He personally carried our sins in his body on the cross so that we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you are healed.

I always believe what His Word says!
 
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You must not of read everything I said. I see you are single so assuming you have no children maybe you dont quite understand the example from a parent point of view but still you should understand the concept even if you are young. In the New Covenant I didnt see one time when someone came to Jesus that He refused them healing. The God I love and serve is a loving Father who sent His Son to die for our sins, to break the curses and He said...
Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Matthew 8:17
This fulfilled the word of the Lord through the prophet Isaiah, who said, “He took our sicknesses and removed our diseases.”
James 5:14-15
Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord. Such a prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make you well. And if you have committed any sins, you will be forgiven.
1 Peter 2:24
He personally carried our sins in his body on the cross so that we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you are healed.

I always believe what His Word says!
Yes but their are many facets to Gods personality besides loving... Paul also described God as stern and ready to cut a believer off if they do not bear fruit... I'm assuming you probably haven't experienced a hardship or physical illness like the op has described ( I may be wrong) but its really annoying to assume one isnt or hasn't stood on gods word, or done al they can faith wise or they're still sick because they didnt have enough faith. I believe in Gods sovereignty, sometimes he heals and sometimes he doesn't.
 
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Yes but their are many facets to Gods personality besides loving... Paul also described God as stern and ready to cut a believer off if they do not bear fruit... I'm assuming you probably haven't experienced a hardship or physical illness like the op has described ( I may be wrong) but its really annoying to assume one isnt or hasn't stood on gods word, or done al they can faith wise or they're still sick because they didnt have enough faith. I believe in Gods sovereignty, sometimes he heals and sometimes he doesn't.

You are kidding right ????? I have not experienced any hardship or physical illness ??????? No, I just sit in this wheelchair from a 2010 back operation that failed, where they tried to fuse eight vertebrae, I have a broken rod and screws in my back, I have BAD constant pain only dulled somewhat with strong pain meds. I cant work, I cant walk, now I have something going on in my hip joints, now try saying that to me again, the difference is I know my, Father doesnt want me this way and for me to say He does is a slap in the face of Jesus after the horrible things He suffered to provide me my healing. Now if for some reason I never receive my healing not you or anyone will ever convince me my Father wants me like this, it would mean I didnt have enough faith you see I can admit that, I am woman enough and can admit it.
 
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You are kidding right ????? I have not experienced any hardship or physical illness ??????? No, I just sit in this wheelchair from a 2010 back operation that failed, where they tried to fuse eight vertebrae, I have a broken rod and screws in my back, I have BAD constant pain only dulled somewhat with strong pain meds. I cant work, I cant walk, now I have something going on in my hip joints, now try saying that to me again, the difference is I know my, Father doesnt want me this way and for me to say He does is a slap in the face of Jesus after the horrible things He suffered to provide me my healing. Now if for some reason I never receive my healing not you or anyone will ever convince me my Father wants me like this, it would mean I didnt have enough faith you see I can admit that, I am woman enough and can admit it.
So sad to hear of your challenges due to the accident & failed surgery. I believe in healing and God can also use many things to help us to be in an position for that healing regardless if it's physical, emotional or mental. I've been dealing with my own challenges as most people have so sort of challenges to help them trust more in God and there by build up their faith. I've found that the Laser Therapy treatments are relieving pain in the neck & spine. Have your heard of this type of treatment? Here's a link for more information.
https://www.inspire.com/groups/para...cold-laser-therapy-spinal-nerve-regeneration/
 
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I don't want to die just yet since I am newly married. I want to grow old together. However... I am all for if God came back tomorrow. Because then I would not die so to speak. Its the only death I know for sure how it will happen. I look forward to that day.

Now should you pray for death? I used to. Then I got into just doing it myself. But I got away from that and trusted in God. My health still isn't the best at all but God has done alot with me since then. I'm even married now! Stay strong!
 
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Just realized theres some talk about "Pray hard enough and you will be healed!". Such a terrible thing to tell someones whos suffering. Those people who say those things are usually holier then thou and fail to the sins the commit in what they say. God does not always heal us. Sometimes our health issues strengthen us and He may have a plan. Me? I always pray I could be healed. I don't really doubt He can of course. But I have accepted that if He doesn't then thats ok too.

Because if I would have killed myself long ago, I would have never have realized that all I went through would have been used to help those who struggle. I can use my story to inspire them and help them see God has a plan. Even when you don't hear a yes to your prayers.
 
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I don't want to die just yet since I am newly married. I want to grow old together. However... I am all for if God came back tomorrow. Because then I would not die so to speak. Its the only death I know for sure how it will happen. I look forward to that day.

Now should you pray for death? I used to. Then I got into just doing it myself. But I got away from that and trusted in God. My health still isn't the best at all but God has done alot with me since then. I'm even married now! Stay strong!
When life is overwhelming and depression sets in many desire to find death so they have an end to the challenges they face, which is a common thought, but should make us cry out to the Lord for His help.
We're to be the messenger of the good news of the gospel for Christ sake and when we refocus our thoughts & energies towards that goal it makes life worth while with inner peace and builds up your faith in Christ and what God can do for us and others. I've found personally that the most joy comes when I reach out & encourage others in the Lord, it's a awesome experience learning, growing, ministering in word & healing this sharing the love of the Lord to others.
 
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