It's Not Too Soon to Debate Gun Control

[Hank77]

What states have similar regulations to yours?

I don't remember I'd have to look up the link. There is an interactive map with the gun laws in each state.

My concern was, how's that working for the state...stats and all.

What concerns? Can you give me something and maybe I can google it.

 

[Allandavid]

Prices are made up out of whole cloth and it has to do with the Chargemaster. Chargemaster - Wikipedia

He discusses how what is $200 in one hospital may be $3,000 in another, etc. It supports my personal experience. There are now a lot of places in the country where you can get an MRI for full out of pocket cost of $399 or even less. This includes results interpretation of some sort.

If all medical expenses were covered like non-surgical dental, hearing, optical and lasic, it would be cheap. And if auto insurance was like health care insurance, it would cover oil changes and tires.

Wow....I had an MRI performed last week. It was bulk-billed...no cost to me.

(Sorry, sounds like boasting...not my intention)

 

[Allandavid]

And here's another.......evidently the majority doesn't want to.

The right to bear arms: Understanding America's relationship with guns

Poll: A majority of Americans want the next president to push gun control

Guns

 

[LostMarbels]

The right to bear arms: Understanding America's relationship with guns

Poll: A majority of Americans want the next president to push gun control

Guns

Most people today don't even know what Fort McHenry is. But they understand the constitution and the bill of rights. Okaaaaaay..........?

Today, there are individuals that think we gained independence in the 1900's from Germany. And I have personally asked individuals what the Mayflower Compact was; the answer I got was a negotiation of how much it cost to come to America with Columbas.

How many seats are there in the Senate?

How many votes does it take to end a filibuster?

What is the writ of Pose comitatus?

What is needed to amend the constitution?

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood??????? Gocha with that one didn't I?

Do you know why I know this? It was taught in my schools in the 1970's-1980's, but it no longer is.

I will agree with a poll after a generation is taught American civics, American history, and American politics as I was. Until then, I will continue to believe a lot answer questions they do not even understand out of ignorance.

 

[majj27]

One could have a gun safe, or trigger guards but that doesn't mean they will use them.

In my ideal world, this would be penalized somehow, like if someone steals your gun from within a secured gun safe, well you did your due diligence and all that can be rationally expected, so that sucks but there you go. No penalties when reported.

If you had a gun safe but left the gun on your table and someone stole it? That's a fine for improper firearm ownership and maybe some sort of review of your licensing.

Don't report it to avoid the fine? Well, that's another BIGGER fine plus the first fine. And a review of your licensing.

Don't report it to avoid the fine and someone gets shot with it? Both fines plus you're a liable party to the shooting (to some extent). And the review, of course.

Or at least that's where my train of thought goes.

 

[majj27]

SOME SITUATIONS WHERE FOLKS ARE KILLED WITH GUNS
1) ISIS influenced folks
2) gangs
3) suicide
4) mental illness and suicide by cop
5) mental illness
6) drug associated crime or other actions
7) Home accidents because of lack of training or leaving guns not locked up

GUN CONTROL WON'T STOP OF EVEN REDUCE ALL OF THESE
In fact, none of these will be stopped. In fact the number of crimes may not be decreased. However, the number of deaths and the extent of injuries is likely to be reduced.
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MODEST PROPOSAL
However, we (at a federal or state level) can do a little bit generally that might reduce the number of deaths.
1) We can ban devices that transform semi-atomic guns into automatic guns.
2) We can ban semi-automatic guns.
3) We can enforce background checks, including prosecuting gun sellers who sold guns in violation of current law. The gun show loophole should be closed.
4) We can have permits for carrying guns in public, including a background check. (Texas law)
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I AGREE that looking at EXTENSIVE gun laws is a diversion. Obviously ISIS folk can use cars. Reducing the availability of semi-automatics and automatics will help is SOME situations. The rest are issues are law enforcement (and helping them PERHAPS with registration), more focus on preventing and treating the mentally ill, and more focus on preventing and treating opioid addiction. BTW, prosecuting or suing those who sell illegal guns and who promote the sale of opioids might help a lot.

You know, I'll say that your 4 ideas are good ones. However, I'd call those Gun Control myself. Is maybe some of the argument here that we're using related but different definitions? I'd call any action taken to have better control over the misuse of firearms to fall under the blanket term "Gun Control". Does it mean something different to other people?

 

[mark46]

You know, I'll say that your 4 ideas are good ones. However, I'd call those Gun Control myself. Is maybe some of the argument here that we're using related but different definitions? I'd call any action taken to have better control over the misuse of firearms to fall under the blanket term "Gun Control". Does it mean something different to other people?

Call a proposal "gun control" and there isn't even a chance of discussing the legislation, and certainly no chance of passage.

 

[mark46]

Wow....I had an MRI performed last week. It was bulk-billed...no cost to me.

(Sorry, sounds like boasting...not my intention)

I can also have one done for no cost, and with no waiting period. This is true for anyone on Medicare with the appropriate supplemental policy. I don't understand your point.

 

[Hank77]

In my ideal world, this would be penalized somehow, like if someone steals your gun from within a secured gun safe, well you did your due diligence and all that can be rationally expected, so that sucks but there you go. No penalties when reported.

If you had a gun safe but left the gun on your table and someone stole it? That's a fine for improper firearm ownership and maybe some sort of review of your licensing.

Don't report it to avoid the fine? Well, that's another BIGGER fine plus the first fine. And a review of your licensing.

Don't report it to avoid the fine and someone gets shot with it? Both fines plus you're a liable party to the shooting (to some extent). And the review, of course.

Or at least that's where my train of thought goes.

My statement was in regards to child safety more than anything but I think your proposal may not be too unfair. I have to think about it more because I know how expensive actual gun safes are. Many people I know could not afford one and they are the very people who rely on wild game to feed their families.
There are other places guns can be stored/hidden under lock and key besides gun safes.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Those that want to teach the bigoted Trump supporters a lesson.

Don't even tell me no one has been enraged or groomed to view Trump and conservatives as monsters that need to be removed. Racist, foul, evil types of despicable creatures they are.

Sounds like liberal stereotype #16.
But isn't liberal stereotype #15 that they're all anti-gun?

I can accept your answer as your point of view, but not for the majority.

Sounds like you think the "majority" opinion of liberals is that they're murderers.

You may have missed some of my posts. I agree on some issues. I do not agree in the complete disarmament of citizens or overreaching regulations.

Isn't it up to all the people -- not just you -- to decide what is or isn't overreaching?

That's kinda my point....

Your point went from we to you and back again... remind me again who the terrorists are?

 

[Fantine]

They said the shooter fired up to 400 rounds, and obviously he killed 26 people and wounded an equal number. It was the worst shooting Texas has ever had, and Texas has had its share of gun violence.

Las Vegas, Orlando, and now Texas.

We have a president who says it's about mental illness, but the first bill he signed was one allowing mentally ill individuals to buy guns.

I don't know what to say anymore--because I feel it's met by an impenetrable wall of hostile irrationality. And now they have a champion in the White House who has made hostile irrationality "the new normal."

I am discouraged and out of ideas. I feel like Alice falling down the rabbit hole and landing smack dab in a stacked deck of crazy 8's.

 

[mark46]

My statement was in regards to child safety more than anything but I think your proposal may not be too unfair. I have to think about it more because I know how expensive actual gun safes are. Many people I know could not afford one and they are the very people who rely on wild game to feed their families.
There are other places guns can be stored/hidden under lock and key besides gun safes.

I can't see Southern or Mountain states requiring gun safes for the reasons you mention. Guns are necessary for hunting and protection, and gun safes are expensive. I don't know anything about gun safes. Are they available in Walmart? Will other safes be good enough?

I just checked.
https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=gun+safe

Having a safe for handguns and hunting rifles could be expensive. Handguns could be secured for $50 or so.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I don't remember I'd have to look up the link. There is an interactive map with the gun laws in each state.

What concerns? Can you give me something and maybe I can google it.

Don't want to put you to the trouble, it was something I was going to look into myself. Just wanted to know how it was working for the state...is it doing some good, as in less crime? Wanted to see the statistics and such.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The right to bear arms: Understanding America's relationship with guns

Poll: A majority of Americans want the next president to push gun control

Guns

I'm taking about what we have now, we shall see how it goes.

"A" majority? Why does that worry me right off the bat? How bout "The" majority?

 

[majj27]

My statement was in regards to child safety more than anything but I think your proposal may not be too unfair. I have to think about it more because I know how expensive actual gun safes are. Many people I know could not afford one and they are the very people who rely on wild game to feed their families.
There are other places guns can be stored/hidden under lock and key besides gun safes.

Not being a gun owner, I'll defer to more knowledgeable folks on gun safes. I'm guessing there are a pretty wide range, from under-desk or bedside quick-access handgun units to basically a tough locker with a padlock on the side.

I'd consider any decently effective method of securing a firearm from unwanted access to count in my scenario. So in a decently solid cabinet with a padlock or combination lock would count, but hanging in the front hall secured with twist-ties wouldn't.

Basically, any situation where the firearm is kept from being easily and conveniently grabbed by minors or guests (wanted or otherwise) would suffice for me. I'm not going to get hung up on whether it has to be an official gun safe, so long as it's secured.

 

[Fantine]

I can't see Southern or Mountain states requiring gun safes for the reasons you mention. Guns are necessary for hunting and protection, and gun safes are expensive. I don't know anything about gun safes. Are they available in Walmart? Will other safes be good enough?

I've lived to age 68 so far, and have three children, the oldest 42, who have never used or owned guns--so I question how "necessary" they are. My husband did shoot a gun in the Army in Vietnam, but he hasn't since.

I suppose that if I were an anxious person obsessed with potential dangers I might feel I needed a gun for "protection," but I try to solve interpersonal problems through dialogue and discussion. Yes, I'm one of those "use your words" people. I also find that not owning a gun probably makes me more prudent about being out alone late at night or engaging in risky activities...I'd rather be prudent than live with a gun and a sense of foreboding.

 

[Hank77]

Don't want to put you to the trouble, it was something I was going to look into myself. Just wanted to know how it was working for the state...is it doing some good, as in less crime? Wanted to see the statistics and such.

State Firearm Laws - State-by-State

This might be helpful to you. Each state listing guns laws that were active in each year since 1991 - 2016, along with the homicide and suicide rates each year.
It doesn't look to me like the laws are creating much of a difference in most states.

 

[Allandavid]

I'm taking about what we have now, we shall see how it goes.

"A" majority? Why does that worry me right off the bat? How bout "The" majority?

Knew it would be a waste of time.....again...

 

[Allandavid]

Amazing, isn’t it..?

Trump’s predicatable comment to the effect of ‘Its not guns, it’s poor mental health’...

This from the man whose only legislative achievement was to make it easier for the mentally ill to get guns...!

 

[expos4ever]

We have a president who says it's about mental illness, but the first bill he signed was one allowing mentally ill individuals to buy guns.

This is the same President who has said that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.

I don't know what to say anymore--because I feel it's met by an impenetrable wall of hostile irrationality. And now they have a champion in the White House who has made hostile irrationality "the new normal."

I completely empathize - there is something very strange afoot in the USA. Are you an American yourself? If so, I suggest you browbeat, beg, and even threaten your friends of like mind to actually vote next time.