it's not just the Sabbath, It is Gods Calendar also.

[Michael70]

Why have we changed God's Calendar? Did Jesus change the Holy Days?

 

[HTacianas]

Why have we changed God's Calendar? Did Jesus change the Holy Days?

Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

 

[Bob S]

Why have we changed God's Calendar? Did Jesus change the Holy Days?

The Holy days that God set aside were for only one nation, Israel. Nowhere in all of history or scripture does it tell us God ever asked any other nation to observe the ritual days he prescribed for Israel. Christians are free to choose when to corporately worship. We are told in Hebrews not to forsake assembling together. The idea that some believe we have to follow the ritual laws set aside for old covenant Israel is nowhere found in scripture.

 

[Michael70]

Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Your verses were on the subject. One observation, Romans 14:6 "The day" is the Sabbath. In Col 2:16 The word Sabbath is Plural. This Verse refers to God's Calendar. There are "Sabbaths" that do not happen on Friday night at sundown. You are right, the substance is of Christ. He is the Word...of God.

 

[daq]

There are "Sabbaths" that do not happen on Friday night at sundown.

Those are not the same, (if indeed I understand what you mean), and are rather called shabbaton, (a rest). This has caused much confusion in translations. Here is an example where shabbaton is used:

Exodus 16:23 KJV
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

The underlined phrase, the rest of the holy sabbath, may be transliterated into English as shabbaton Shabbat qodesh. In this instance the KJV has rightly rendered shabbaton as a rest. However a feast day, (i.e. Lev 23), can be a day of shabbaton-rest without technically being a Shabbat, but a true Shabbat is always a Shabbat shabbaton, (both words used together). This statement in Exodus 16:23 sets the precedent.

 

[Michael S. Blanchard]

God's calendar is the calendar that we should all be following. That includes the Sabbath and all of the "extra Sabbaths". Believers in Jesus Christ should follow God's Calendar. We should all be observing the Holy Days laid out by God. We all can still be Christian and follow The Eternals Calendar. God's Covenants do not change, Christ said that He was here "to do the work of my Father" Nothing changed except Christ earned the right to rule the world and judge the living and the dead. We are the brides of Christ. Observe God's calendar. All Christians owe it to themselves to research why we do not observe the feast days, Sabbaths (other than Saturday), and God's New Year. Christians need to search for these truths and think about why and how Christians have been led down another road. Jesus Christ followed His Father's calendar. That should be enough to research why Christians do not.

 

[BobRyan]

The Lev 23 annual Sabbaths have specific liturgy. The 7th day Sabbath of Ex 20 does not.

All the liturgical Sabbaths of Lev 23 - have animal sacrifice and offerings in their liturgy and that liturgy was deleted at the cross according to Heb 10:4-12. Which is why we still have the weekly Sabbath but have no specifics on how to celebrate any of the annual Sabbaths other than creative thinking about them.

Everyone has free will of course and can choose their own creative ideas on how to continue the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths. But for the weekly Sabbath we have it as a day of rest and a day of "holy convocation" in Lev 23. We can see how that could be done in Gen 2:1-3 and how that can happen for all eternity in Is 66:23 but the other annual or monthly Sabbaths would need some details given by God once we agree that sacrifice and offerings have ended as per Heb 10.

 

[Bob S]

The Lev 23 annual Sabbaths have specific liturgy. The 7th day Sabbath of Ex 20 does not.

So what? Did that make those Sabbaths less Holy for the Israelites?

All the liturgical Sabbaths of Lev 23 - have animal sacrifice and offerings in their liturgy and that liturgy was deleted at the cross according to Heb 10:4-12. Which is why we still have the weekly Sabbath but have no specifics on how to celebrate any of the annual Sabbaths other than creative thinking about them.

More excuses. If I remember correctly the Levites kept the fires going on the weekly Sabbath. The whole system of rituals, including the weekly Sabbath, ended at Calvary

Everyone has free will of course and can choose their own creative ideas on how to continue the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths. But for the weekly Sabbath we have it as a day of rest and a day of "holy convocation" in Lev 23. We can see how that could be done in Gen 2:1-3 and how that can happen for all eternity in Is 66:23 but the other annual or monthly Sabbaths would need some details given by God once we agree that sacrifice and offerings have ended as per Heb 10.

I wouldn't put all my trust in Is 66:23. If you are going to use his writings concerning the New Earth you will have to also consider what he wrote in Is 65:

New Heavens and a New Earth​

17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind. (See verse Is 66:24) Seems like that would be remembering would it not?
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days, (Are infants born in Heaven, see Jesus words on the subject.)
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child; (HMMM! I must have the wrong meaning of eternal)
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed. (Why would anyone be accursed in Heaven?)

Is Is 65:23 any truer than Is 65:17 and 20

 

[Bob S]

God's calendar is the calendar that we should all be following. That includes the Sabbath and all of the "extra Sabbaths". Believers in Jesus Christ should follow God's Calendar. We should all be observing the Holy Days laid out by God. We all can still be Christian and follow The Eternals Calendar. God's Covenants do not change, Christ said that He was here "to do the work of my Father" Nothing changed except Christ earned the right to rule the world and judge the living and the dead. We are the brides of Christ. Observe God's calendar. All Christians owe it to themselves to research why we do not observe the feast days, Sabbaths (other than Saturday), and God's New Year. Christians need to search for these truths and think about why and how Christians have been led down another road. Jesus Christ followed His Father's calendar. That should be enough to research why Christians do not.

If one really believes in Jesus Christ, one would heed His words in Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

So, you see my friend the followers of Jesus are not subject to the commands Jesus lived under. We know we are of the truth if we believe the one God sent to save us and LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS JESUS COMMANDED.

1JN3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Jesus came and fulfilled the requirements of the old covenant. Fulfil means to bring to an end and that is just what Jesus did. Eph 2: 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

 

[Yekcidmij]

God's calendar is the calendar that we should all be following. That includes the Sabbath and all of the "extra Sabbaths". Believers in Jesus Christ should follow God's Calendar. We should all be observing the Holy Days laid out by God. We all can still be Christian and follow The Eternals Calendar. God's Covenants do not change, Christ said that He was here "to do the work of my Father" Nothing changed except Christ earned the right to rule the world and judge the living and the dead. We are the brides of Christ. Observe God's calendar. All Christians owe it to themselves to research why we do not observe the feast days, Sabbaths (other than Saturday), and God's New Year. Christians need to search for these truths and think about why and how Christians have been led down another road. Jesus Christ followed His Father's calendar. That should be enough to research why Christians do not.

Which calendar do you think is God's calendar? And if you say, "the one in the bible" I will re-ask: what calendar do you think is taught in the bible?

 

[Yekcidmij]

Why have we changed God's Calendar? Did Jesus change the Holy Days?

What calendar do you think is God's approved calendar?

 

[Aaron112]

Which calendar do you think is God's calendar? And if you say, "the one in the bible" I will re-ask: what calendar do you think is taught in the bible?

What calendar do you think is God's approved calendar?

If you had access to God's Calendar, God's Schedule, Perfectly, His Way, His Plan,

would you even , ever, or already desire to abide by it ?

 

[Aaron112]

Why have we changed God's Calendar?

Who do you think or include in "we" ?
Do you include those who always follow Jesus wherever He Goes, no matter the cost/ even our own lives ?

 

[Yekcidmij]

If you had access to God's Calendar, God's Schedule, Perfectly, His Way, His Plan,

would you even , ever, or already desire to abide by it ?

I repeat the questions: what calendar do you think is God's calendar?

 

[Aaron112]

I repeat the questions: what calendar do you think is God's calendar?

If you are unwilling to abide by The Creator's Schedule/ Calendar,
then I don't know that anyone can reveal it to you.

 

[Yekcidmij]

If you are unwilling to abide by The Creator's Schedule/ Calendar,
then I don't know that anyone can reveal it to you.

Well, keep it a secret then. Best wishes.

 

[Aaron112]

Well, keep it a secret then. Best wishes.

I cannot keep it a secret at all.
It is revealed by the Father Abba , Almighty Creator, to everyone He chooses to reveal it to.

 

[ralliann]

The Lev 23 annual Sabbaths have specific liturgy. The 7th day Sabbath of Ex 20 does not.

All the liturgical Sabbaths of Lev 23 - have animal sacrifice and offerings in their liturgy and that liturgy was deleted at the cross according to Heb 10:4-12. Which is why we still have the weekly Sabbath but have no specifics on how to celebrate any of the annual Sabbaths other than creative thinking about them.

Not just Lev 23 but also numb 28. A liturgical count of days was sacrifices Daily morn and evening. the festal offerings were added to the morning sacrifices every day throughout the festival days. Judaism recognized the night following the passover as belonging liturgically to the 14th day (calling it one long day (liturgically the day went before the night). Liturgically the 15th day began in the morning with the festival sacrifices. I have not seen so far on any forum speak of a liturgical calander, just a civil one. Resulting in the festal calander of unleavened bread mess up the daily sacrifices 2 per day being morn and evening.

 

[BobRyan]

The Lev 23 annual Sabbaths have specific liturgy. The 7th day Sabbath of Ex 20 does not.

So what? Did that make those Sabbaths less Holy for the Israelites?

It makes it less ceremonial. Did you lose the point?? Reading the rest of the point would help make that point clear.

All the liturgical Sabbaths of Lev 23 - have animal sacrifice and offerings in their liturgy and that liturgy was deleted at the cross according to Heb 10:4-12. Which is why we still have the weekly Sabbath but have no specifics on how to celebrate any of the annual Sabbaths other than creative thinking about them.

Everyone has free will of course and can choose their own creative ideas on how to continue the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths. But for the weekly Sabbath we have it as a day of rest and a day of "holy convocation" in Lev 23. We can see how that could be done in Gen 2:1-3 and how that can happen for all eternity in Is 66:23 but the other annual or monthly Sabbaths would need some details given by God once we agree that sacrifice and offerings have ended as per Heb 10.

Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Gen 2:1-3 - Adam and Eve (All mankind) given Sabbath in Eden
Mark 2:27 - Sabbath "made for mankind" According to Christ
Is 66:23 - ALL MANKIND keeping Sabbath for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth

 

[Yekcidmij]

The Lev 23 annual Sabbaths have specific liturgy. The 7th day Sabbath of Ex 20 does not.

So Lev 23 has a "holy convocation" for weekly sabbaths (23:1), but no liturgy was conducted? Surely they weren't just standing around?

All the liturgical Sabbaths of Lev 23 - have animal sacrifice and offerings in their liturgy and that liturgy was deleted at the cross according to Heb 10:4-12. Which is why we still have the weekly Sabbath but have no specifics on how to celebrate any of the annual Sabbaths other than creative thinking about them.

Num 28:9-10 says weekly sabbaths also had sacrifices associated with it (also Ez 46:4-5). There were also daily sacrifices.