It's not because they are Muslim

[Smidlee]

Uh, no, it's not. It's like saying that because we are at war with Germany, we won't allow any immigration from that country for the duration of the war. That isn't saying that every applicant is a Nazi spy.

So Germans were allow to enter our country during WW2?

 

[Albion]

Judaism was based on a single nation Israel which were given borders. Christianity had no borders nor a nation.

Worse than that, his comment--which he probably thought was so smart--shows that he has no idea of what Islam is all about and actually does suppose that it's a religion that's kept separate by its adherents from their political, economic, and social lives.

 

[Smidlee]

That's, good? Not relevant to anything, but good?

Islam is not the same , They are told to kill infidels throughout the whole world.

 

[Armoured]

So Germans were allow to enter our country during WW2?

Not the point I was making *eyeroll* but if you'd like to discuss the differences between a sovereign nation state in a declared state of war with another sovereign nation state and an international response to a criminal organisation, I'm up for it if you are.

 

[Armoured]

Islam is not the same , They are told to kill infidels throughout the whole world.

Uh-huh. Sure they are.

 

[JGG]

Worse than that, his comment--which he probably thought was so smart--shows that he has no idea of what Islam is all about and actually does suppose that it's a religion that's kept separate by its adherents from their political, economic, and social lives.

And you just joined the group of those who have demonized all of Islam.

Well maybe not "just"...there's a chance you had before.

 

[Albion]

And you just joined the group of those who have demonized all of Islam.

Please stop. The manufacturing of accusations completely out of thin air is not only disgusting but ludicrous. You might as well be calling all of us carrots or Martians.i

 

[JGG]

Please stop. The manufacturing of accusations completely out of thin air is not only disgusting but ludicrous. You might as well be calling all of us carrots or Martians.i

Do you disagree? And it's not out of thin air, you can see where I quoted you.

...he has no idea of what Islam is all about and actually does suppose that it's a religion that's kept separate by its adherents from their political, economic, and social lives.

 

[Smidlee]

I'm a 100% guilty of being against the teaching of Islam and it's fruit it produces.

 

[Albion]

Do you disagree?

For your information, Islam IS a way of life. It teaches that all of one's life is integrated. Unlike other religions that people can hold in good conscience while taking a range of different stances on economic or governmental or, sometimes, social matters, Islam teaches that all are connected. And that is inherent in the teachings of the Koran.

More important, pointing this out in response to another poster's comment is NOT a criticism of Islam (let alone your favorite word, demonize). It's a simple statement of fact that you can learn from anyone who studies Islam.

 

[Sistrin]

I'm a little more than frustrated with the attitude of our country, especially those who share my faith as a Christian. The responses that I've seen towards Muslims and their communities is the typical ignorant and worldly reaction that has no place in the mouths/hearts of so called 'godly' people.

I must have missed that part of the New Testament instructing me to lie down before evil and let it walk all over me and my loved ones. Of course your second sentence reveals to me, and apparently others here, the glaring flaw in your argument. Identifying Radical Islam for exactly what it is does not mean those who do so hate all Muslims. That someone speaking of Radical Islam does not begin and end every sentence with the disclaimer not all Muslims are terrorist does not mean we believe all Muslims are terrorist. You should have put more thought into your open.

Regardless...

How quickly we forget the real underlying issue, the true cause of our failure as a people toward each other.

Have Muslims who slaughter 130 people in Paris and 14 in California not failed humanity? Or is just us, because in response we don't want to give the Muslim terrorist a big hug?

The differences between us are not what make us bad, evil or even dangerous.

Ah, yes, they are. Try this thought experiment.

What is the difference between this man practicing his religion:

And this man practicing his religion:

Your point seems to be there is no difference.

However you point is simply wrong. Jerry Sandusky is in prison for pedophilia, for sexually abusing children. There is a clear difference between him and every Christian who is not in prison for child sexual abuse. There is a clear difference between every Muslim who would murder in the name of Allah and every Christian who would refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding. That difference is, in the case of the Christian the gay couple gets to walk out and go find themselves a lawyer. In the case of Islam they get tossed from the top of ten or fifteen story buildings.

Apparently that is a difference you would casually dismiss.

Just because a person or group of people commits a terrible act out of a twisted belief system does not make all people who are in anyway similar to them the same.

This is another strawman argument. Again, the only people I have ever heard claiming all Muslims are terrorist are liberals claiming someone else said it.

How many lives have been taken by 'Christians'?

Cite the Christian group travelling the country or around the world murdering in the name of God? What is the world wide threat of Christianity?

The Crusades started over 900 years ago. Since 1990 eleven people have been killed in attacks on abortion clinics. For the week of December 12th through December 19th, Islam racked up a body count of over 227 dead and 307 wounded.

How many terrible acts have been committed by those who have a twisted 'Christian' world view?

Do you truly believe Christianity is a religion bent on world domination through force? Or are you simply spouting leftist talking points because sensitivity and kumbaya multiculturalism you stupid Republicans? Really, which is it?

Does this also make all Christians suspects for these acts as well?

Who is claiming that other than those promoting the same flawed premise as you? Funny how when a guy went into an abortion clinic in Colorado he was instantly a Christian representing all Christians, not to mention the Tea Party, the Republican party, the Pro-life movement, the NRA, and Conservatism in general, yet when two Muslims shoot up a Christmas party in San Bernardino well they aren't really Muslims! They are not indicative of anything, except how we need more gun control!

Your arguments have already been exposed as the partisan nonsense they are, before you made them here.

No certainly not, so why are we treating Muslims in this manner? Why should one group be targeted when down deep all are truly the same?

Because again, we are not all truly the same.

Maybe I have a different perspective because I've lived in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years due to deployment.

Oh, so you're the one.

I've worked, lived, shared meals with those who are different than me. Any time spent with those who are different than yourself will quickly change your attitude.

Yeah, when I was in Korea I quickly fell in love with the both the people and the country. However none of the Katusa's working with me ever did this:

Fort Hood shooter writes to ISIS leader, asks to become 'citizen' of Islamic State

"The Army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at Fort Hood has written a letter to the leader of ISIS, asking to become a citizen of the Islamic State's caliphate, his attorney said Thursday.

"The letter states that Nadal Hasan wants to become a citizen of the Islamic State caliphate," attorney John Galligan said. "He wrote it in the last few weeks."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/us/isis-fort-hood-shooter/index.html

Lest we forget, back in March of 2003 Hasan K. Akbar tossed four hand grenades into three tents occupied by his fellow US Army soldiers. He then shot and killed Army Captain Chris Seifert.

We're all people who need the love of God and long for acceptance from our fellow man. All are fallible, all are sinners and all need God in their lives.

Here you have a valid point. However Christians are not going to change radical Islam by love and prayer alone. For Islam to change that change must come from within Islam.

 

[JGG]

For your information, Islam IS a way of life. It teaches that all of one's life is integrated. Unlike other religions that people can hold in good conscience while taking a range of different stances on economic or governmental or, sometimes, social matters, Islam teaches that all are connected. And that is inherent in the teachings of the Koran.

Uh-huh...And all Muslims follow the same teachings?

More important, pointing this out in response to another poster's comment is NOT a criticism of Islam (let alone your favorite word, demonize). It's a simple statement of fact that you can learn from anyone who studies Islam.

And all Muslims follow the same teachings?

 

[Albion]

Unfortunately, you will need more instruction than can be accomplished on a discussion board.

 

[JGG]

Unfortunately, you will need more instruction than can be accomplished on a discussion board.

I didn't do well in Message Boarding class in college. I'll try to make due.

Anyway, you were saying...

 

[Thunder Peel]

I'm a little more than frustrated with the attitude of our country, especially those who share my faith as a Christian. The responses that I've seen towards Muslims and their communities is the typical ignorant and worldly reaction that has no place in the mouths/hearts of so called 'godly' people. How quickly we forget the real underlying issue, the true cause of our failure as a people toward each other. The differences between us are not what make us bad, evil or even dangerous. Just because a person or group of people commits a terrible act out of a twisted belief system does not make all people who are in anyway similar to them the same. How many lives have been taken by 'Christians'? How many terrible acts have been committed by those who have a twisted 'Christian' world view? Does this also make all Christians suspects for these acts as well? No certainly not, so why are we treating Muslims in this manner? Why should one group be targeted when down deep all are truly the same?

"If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment." (James 2:8-13)

Maybe I have a different perspective because I've lived in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years due to deployment. I've worked, lived, shared meals with those who are different than me. Any time spent with those who are different than yourself will quickly change your attitude. You'll realize that we are all the same. We're all people who need the love of God and long for acceptance from our fellow man. All are fallible, all are sinners and all need God in their lives. How can we show the love of God and minister in His name if we reject His children? If you claim to love God, then you must go out and open your heart, your mind to someone you think is different and pray for their salvation.

Brothers and Sisters, remember that Jesus sits on the Throne in Heaven. Because we know this, we do not need to fear this world of cruel people. God is truly in control!

Gill, thank you for your service to our country.

I would ask you this: have you actually read the Koran? Have you studied the history of Islam, the life of Mohammad and what followers actually believe? If so then you would see it's been a religion of hate and intolerance since its inception. I pray for the salvation of all Muslims but I also realize that there are those who wish to kill us and will not be converted.

 

[Chris B]

You don't need to repeat obummer's address a few weeks ago lecturing Americans on anti-muslim bigotry. Real Americans don't deny the scourge of radical Islam.

Real Americans...
That would be on par with True Scotsmen, then.

If Obama does deny the existence of radical Islam, then you've got him on ludicrous expenditure too.
The serious expense flying of military jets and drones over Iraq and Syria, dropping costly bombs and firing very expensive missiles...
...for absolutely no reason at all.

Chris.

 

[Chris B]

Gill, thank you for your service to our country.

I would ask you this: have you actually read the Koran? Have you studied the history of Islam, the life of Mohammad and what followers actually believe? If so then you would see it's been a religion of hate and intolerance since its inception. I pray for the salvation of all Muslims but I also realize that there are those who wish to kill us and will not be converted.

Dangerous move, surely?
Someone might call you on the content of the Bible, and the history of the Christian church, and what people calling themselves Christians and thinking themselves Christians have believed, and done.

Chris.

 

[Armoured]

Dangerous move, surely?
Someone might call you on the content of the Bible, and the history of the Christian church, and what people calling themselves Christians and thinking themselves Christians have believed, and done.

Chris.

To which you get the response "but Christians understand that those bits don't mean what they appear to mean".

Don't then ask why the Muslims who say the same thing about the questionable bits of the Koran don't get the same leeway. At best you'll get a "well they lie", at worst you'll get a mouthful of abuse for making their cognitive dissonance flare up.

 

[JGG]

Dangerous move, surely?
Someone might call you on the content of the Bible, and the history of the Christian church, and what people calling themselves Christians and thinking themselves Christians have believed, and done.

Chris.

Don't forget that when talking about the history of the church: "They were not True Christians".

 

[Chris B]

To which you get the response "but Christians understand that those bits don't mean what they appear to mean".

Don't then ask why the Muslims who say the same thing about the questionable bits of the Koran don't get the same leeway. At best you'll get a "well they lie", at worst you'll get a mouthful of abuse for making their cognitive dissonance flare up.

Yes, that is fully anticipated, sublimated cognitive dissonance an' all.
But it was just too blatant to let pass.

Chris