It's happening

[wing2000]

When the law says he does; i.e., when he gets his citizenship, and not before.

Baloney. . .the citizenship laws are not broken.

The immigration system is broken.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

At what point does a non-citizen, who has been living, working and contributing to our society deserve representation?

When they become a citizen. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[wing2000]

I think only resident citizens should be able to vote. Am I a Nationalist?

Nope. I agree with you. However, we need to address the large amount of people living in our country without status...and representation.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Resident non-citizens have a *long* history of voting in *local* elections in this country. I'm not sure that there has *ever* been a total, nation-wide prohibition on non-citizens voting in local elections.

(This is not elections for national office.)

Yeah. There were a lot of non-citizens who are voting Democrat. Which is exactly why the Democrats are doing nothing to secure the border.

 

[wing2000]

Yeah. There were a lot of non-citizens who are voting Democrat. Which is exactly why the Democrats are doing nothing to secure the border.

For national office? If yes, cite your source.

 

[Clare73]

The immigration system is broken.

The citizenship system would mitigate that.

 

[John Owen]

The citizenship system would control that.

A secure border would remedy that.

 

[wing2000]

The citizenship system would mitigate that.

I don't know what you mean as the "Citizen system" is but one component of the broken immigration system. I dealt directly with this broken system in the early 90's. It's even worse now...

 

[wing2000]

A secure border would remedy that.

Define "Secure Border"

 

[John Owen]

Define "Secure Border"

A border where people cannot walk across without going through full interviews with Border guards.

 

[Hans Blaster]

A border where people cannot walk across without going through full interviews with Border guards.

And this is why returning to this country through customs is so obnoxious.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

For national office? If yes, cite your source.

No.

 

[BPPLEE]

I agree. And it's too bad that wasn't addressed 40 years ago. Ever since, our American companies and individuals have gainfully employed illegal immigrants. Let's stop pretending our country is going to expel x million people and reset the clock. We need immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. Otherwise, the number of people living in the shadows will grow.

It's grown by 2 million in 21 months

 

[BPPLEE]

Since the elected council of DC is overwhelmingly in favor, I would assume that the general population is at least pretty favorable to it as well. So again, I must wonder what the problem is.

The problem is allowing illegal immigrants to vote in any election, no matter how the law that allows them to is passed.

 

[John Owen]

And this is why returning to this country through customs is so obnoxious.

So you think anyone should be able to walk in with explosives in their belt?

 

[BPPLEE]

And this is why returning to this country through customs is so obnoxious.

I would hate to inconvenience people who have no respect for our laws or accidentally stop a terrorist

 

[Hans Blaster]

So you think anyone should be able to walk in with explosives in their belt?

Where did I say that?

I've been through Schengen-area customs, Swiss customs, Australian customs, Canadian customs, and US customs, and by far the worst was US customs -- and I'm a native-born US citizen with a US passport. (Now I haven't tried British customs, I hear they can be rather obnoxious as well.) My point was US customs is already bad at border crossings, why is everyone trying to make it worse.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I would hate to inconvenience people who have no respect for our laws or accidentally stop a terrorist

I wasn't a tourist on any of my foreign trips. Always business.

 

[BPPLEE]

I wasn't a tourist on any of my foreign trips. Always business.

I was thinking it should be at least as much trouble to come here illegally as it is legally

 

[Desk trauma]

So you think anyone should be able to walk in with explosives in their belt?

Of course, IEDs are the modern weapon of choice for insurgencies so they need to be included under the second amendment so we could effectively oppose a tyrannical government.