It's been a month

[SnowyMacie]

It's been a month since the election, and I still just cannot believe that Donald Trump actually won. I'm not sure if this in denial or I'm still in shock, but it just feels like the news I hear about what he's doing just doesn't seem real, it seems like a dream, a nightmare.

Anyone else feel this way?


Please note that this thread is not for Trump supporters, thank you!

 

[Psykes]

Yeah it's kinda scary, but we'll all be fine.
Just remember who's really in control!
(By the way, it's God)

 

[dzheremi]

I think it's weird that he's announcing all this stuff via Twitter. I hope he'll stop doing that once he's actually president, but who knows.

As far as his actual election is concerned...ehh...the mildest way I can think to put it is that this is really not a high point in American political culture or civic discourse, and I hope that the real world after-effects of this disturbing turn of events will finally ween a large section of the American electorate off of the notion that voting for 'outsiders' and people who aren't politicians is a way to fix political problems that are largely created by the incredibly heightened partisanship and nastiness that created the unholy storm necessary to get Trump elected in the first place. You can argue over whether or not he's the best of the available candidates (which is a sad statement in itself; in a less dire field, this would not be arguable by anyone), but I don't think anyone would argue that he's the most irenic.

Remember Reagan's off the cuff joke "we begin bombing (of Russia) in five minutes" when he didn't know the mic was on, and the unnecessary and unhelpful tension that ensued when the message reached the Soviets? I could see something like that coming out of Trump's late night Twitter rambling, with the notable difference that Trump doesn't seem to know how to do anything but make off the cuff remarks. No doubt a lot of supporters may like that he would rattle the rest of the world, but I do not. There's enough of that around the world today.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

It's been a month since the election, and I still just cannot believe that Donald Trump actually won. I'm not sure if this in denial or I'm still in shock, but it just feels like the news I hear about what he's doing just doesn't seem real, it seems like a dream, a nightmare.

Anyone else feel this way?

I feel the same way. It is unbelievable that a man like Donald Trump could ever be elected president, especially after all he has said and done before and after his campaign. But I think what is even more mind boggling than that is the amount of the evangelical vote he received. He certainly is not the epitome of conservative Christian values. I am not a supporter of Clinton, but maybe just maybe, the electoral college will have enough faithless electors to change the outcome of the election. It would definitely be historic if that did actually happen. For the record, I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton when I voted.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I think it's weird that he's announcing all this stuff via Twitter. I hope he'll stop doing that once he's actually president, but who knows.

Until the Press gives him a fair shake, don't count on it. Until the press gives us the real news, don't count on it.

As far as his actual election is concerned...ehh...the mildest way I can think to put it is that this is really not a high point in American political culture or civic discourse, and I hope that this real world after effects of this disturbing turn of events will finally ween a large section of the American electorate off of the notion that voting for 'outsiders' and people who aren't politicians is a way to fix political problems that are largely created by the incredibly heightened partisanship and nastiness that created the unholy storm necessary to get Trump elected in the first place. You can argue over whether or not he's the best of the available candidates (which is a sad statement in itself; in a less dire field, this would not be arguable by anyone), but I don't think anyone would argue that he's the most irenic.

This country hasn'thad a high point in political culture in 28 years. I wouldn't say Trump was the best of all the candidates, but he was the better of two.

Remember Reagan's off the cuff joke "we begin bombing (of Russia) in five minutes" when he didn't know the mic was on, and the unnecessary and unhelpful tension that ensued when the message reached the Soviets? I could see something like that coming out of Trump's late night Twitter rambling, with the notable difference that Trump doesn't seem to know how to do anything but make off the cuff remarks. No doubt a lot of supporters may like that he would rattle the rest of the world, but I do not. There's enough of that around the world today.

Remember how scared Iran was that the day Reagan was elected, they released the hostages??? The point is that we achieve peace through strength. One way to get rid of all the crud going on in the world is to have a strong keeper of the peace.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I feel the same way. It is unbelievable that a man like Donald Trump could ever be elected president, especially after all he has said and done before and after his campaign. But I think what is even more mind boggling than that is the amount of the evangelical vote he received. He certainly is not the epitome of conservative Christian values. I am not a supporter of Clinton by any means (and would much rather have either Sanders or Stein), but maybe just maybe, the electoral college will have enough faithless electors to change the outcome of the election. It would definitely be historic if that did happen.

ROTFL at your last comment.

But seriously, the reason that Trump could be elected is that Washington is a swamp right now, and we need an alligator to clean it up. Speaking of evangelical votes, I went to one Evangelical Baptist Church the Sunday before the election, and we spent an hour with everyone on our knees praying for deliverance. And I don't doubt that every one of them, black and white alike, was praying for Donald Trump.

Is he conservative? Not by a bunch. Is he more conservative than Hillary? By a bunch. More honest than Hillary? By a bunch. I hope he closes the border, gets a handle on the immigration mess (that doesn't mean deportation, by the way), and pulls the plug on ACA. That will be a successful presidency. Oh, and put some teeth back in the military.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Please note that this thread is not for Trump supporters, thank you!

Apparently this last part is being willfully ignored.

Are you surprised? I am not even though this particular forum is a liberal Christian sub-forum.

 

[Root of Jesse]

DP

 

[Jack of Spades]

As far as his actual election is concerned...ehh...the mildest way I can think to put it is that this is really not a high point in American political culture or civic discourse

No kidding. It looks to me like half of the people there got totally drunk and intentionally picked the biggest clown they could find as a prank and put him in the office and then are telling the rest of the world that they now have to pretend that he's a serious leader.

I would actually be relieved if it was a prank, but the fact that so many people actually believe it's a great, or even passable idea to put an emotionally unstable conspiracy theorist internet troll in charge, is nothing but alarming. The one thing I have learnt from this is that I don't understand the US or Americans at all and there is no way to tell what's going on in their heads...

 

[SnowyMacie]

No kidding. It looks to me like half of the people there got totally drunk and intentionally picked the biggest clown they could find as a prank and put him in the office and then are telling the rest of the world that they now have to pretend that he's a serious leader.

There was an ad for third party candidate Gary Johnson that said "Trump is like if your crazy racist uncle got drunk and ran for president, then the whole country got drunk and said "That guy should have nuclear bombs."

I would actually be relieved if it was a prank, but the fact that so many people actually believe it's a great, or even passable idea to put an emotionally unstable conspiracy theorist internet troll in charge, is nothing but alarming. The one thing I have learnt from this is that I don't understand the US or Americans at all and there is no way to tell what's going on in their heads...

As an American, I don't understand Americans. I feel like I live in a foreign land now.

 

[SnowyMacie]

[staff edited]
No, I can definitely see it.

 

[graceandpeace]

I'm actually not surprised by the election result. That doesn't make it any easier to accept.

Some people are "one issue" voters: it's abortion, or gun rights, etc, no matter how vile the actual candidate.

For others, the (unrealistic) economic promises won them over.

And for others, it was the frightening language & attacks against Muslims, etc that drove them to the polls. I.e. they voted out of anger & fear, which are powerful motivators.

Finally, for some, they just felt forgotten by other politicians, & the president-elect promised to be their champion.

All of these together lead to the result we have. I'm terrified about what the next 4 years may hold for women, LGBT people, religious minorities, & persons of color. But, I won't live in fear. I won't say hateful things about people who voted different than me. Instead, I will contacts my reps & let my voice be heard. I will pray, I will hope.

 

[FireDragon76]

I was in disbelief for a few weeks too. And I agree with Jack's sentiments. IT does seem like a bad practical joke. But I am guessing it is tapping into a new spirit in the western world associated with Brexit. It's a resurgence of rightwing populism in response to a troubled economy and a status quo that has been asleep to deepening social problems in the Anglophone countries.

Trump won the overwhelming support of a lot of cultural Christian "evangelicals". These types of folks are all over the south and Midwest. These people are not necessarily particularly the most devoutly religious. In fact, among college educated religious conservatives, most of them did not vote for Trump.

On the other hand, Hillary has a lot of baggage.

So my solution to understanding this is to recognize what we are seeing is a resurgence in populism and a disdain for perceived elites. Facts don't matter, it's all about feelings and values.

 

[Qyöt27]

I still have to fight back occasional waves of nausea when I remember the situation. Even reminding myself that Hillary got 2.9 million more votes really only makes it worse, but it at least helps to remember that it was still a very, very fragile win for Trump and that there is a strong resistance in favor of basic human decency. And there's no telling what/if any fracturing of the Republican Party will occur when stuff actually starts happening. The things that could actually help repair the confidence in elections* are not things either party is all that interested in doing (with the Republicans being adamantly opposed to them), but the pressure to do so is building in a way that I'm starting to think can't continue to be ignored, especially if the shifting of power in the Democratic Party to the Warren/Sanders wing spurs it along. 2018 and 2020 may either help to repair or attenuate the damage.

*making Election Day a national holiday, modernizing the voting process itself, automatically registering everyone on their 18th birthday, abolishing the Electoral College (or Constitutionally neutering it with the NPVIC), statehood initiatives for DC, Puerto Rico, and the other territories, and so on.

 

[Armoured]

Until the Press gives him a fair shake, don't count on it. Until the press gives us the real news, don't count on it.This country hasn'thad a high point in political culture in 28 years. I wouldn't say Trump was the best of all the candidates, but he was the better of two.
Remember how scared Iran was that the day Reagan was elected, they released the hostages??? The point is that we achieve peace through strength. One way to get rid of all the crud going on in the world is to have a strong keeper of the peace.

Trump promised to end foreign intervention, though.

 

[farout]

I was so sure Clinton was going to win! When Trump won, I said "Praise the LORD!" Yes I still can't believe someone I voted for actually won. I seem to always vote for the loser, at least the last two elections anyway.

I was prepared to accept Clinton and like I always do, pray for her if she won. That being said trump will also get prayed for. But Trump will sure need it. I think Trump will experience an awakening like he never dreamed of. Trump is not going to have everyone just follow his orders like he has as a big head of his businesses as he is used to. Trump must now work with people who think so differently that he does. All that he promised my not happen just as he thought it would.

I hope the wall gets built, and that those who come to the USA are vetted, that something so much better than Obama Care does happen. I wish Trump and his cabnet the very best, just as I would have Clinton whould have won.

 

[gerbilwoman]

I was sure Clinton was going to win too. I am a little worried that Mr. Trump will be president but I've accepted it.

 

[Tigger45]

I wasn't thrilled with either candidate and am hoping for the best.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I'm actually not surprised by the election result. That doesn't make it any easier to accept.

Some people are "one issue" voters: it's abortion, or gun rights, etc, no matter how vile the actual candidate.

For others, the (unrealistic) economic promises won them over.

And for others, it was the frightening language & attacks against Muslims, etc that drove them to the polls. I.e. they voted out of anger & fear, which are powerful motivators.

Finally, for some, they just felt forgotten by other politicians, & the president-elect promised to be their champion.

All of these together lead to the result we have. I'm terrified about what the next 4 years may hold for women, LGBT people, religious minorities, & persons of color. But, I won't live in fear. I won't say hateful things about people who voted different than me. Instead, I will contacts my reps & let my voice be heard. I will pray, I will hope.

What makes abortion a single issue issue? It encompasses promiscuous sexuality, and many more issues (medical insurance coverage, and others).

 

[SnowyMacie]

What makes abortion a single issue issue? It encompasses promiscuous sexuality, and many more issues (medical insurance coverage, and others).

It means that their entire voting choice is based on the candidates' view on the issue of abortion.