Its a Zoo

[Albion]

Part of the amount of foodstamps that she gets is also for me, because I do not work to take care of her. The majority of what we get is for me and our daughter.

If there is no provision, which I have yet to see, then that means I will have to go back to work, when it is far cheaper to keep me home taking care of my wife and child and getting foodstamps than it will be for them to get some to take care of my wife and daughter.

We get $274 a month for foodstamps, it will be over $1000 a month to send me back to work since someone will need to come in and take care of my wife and daughter.

Which would be better?

Also, I didn't say that the bill called for ending all assistance, just that the one source that I heard this information is for that.

That's not what I asked about. He may be "for" ending all assistance, but you started us off by suggesting that the current bill in Congress would do that. It won't...and I think we both know that now.

It sounds like hearsay from people who are big on talk and not so great with the facts has gotten to you. Try to not let this kind of thing work on you.

 

[Naomanos]

I also by the way would have no problem with the government changing the law to REQUIRE families that get assistance to either use birth control OR make it where they could not have children If not, then what at least I would like to see is a flat rate in assistance that is that how many in your family would NOT determine how much you got EVERYONE would get a certain amount and if you chose to add depandants it would just get worse in terms of how far the assistance would go.

My wife was on birth control when she got pregnant, it doesn't always work.

 

[Naomanos]

Part of the amount of foodstamps that she gets is also for me, because I do not work to take care of her. The majority of what we get is for me and our daughter.

If there is no provision, which I have yet to see, then that means I will have to go back to work, when it is far cheaper to keep me home taking care of my wife and child and getting foodstamps than it will be for them to get some to take care of my wife and daughter.

We get $274 a month for foodstamps, it will be over $1000 a month to send me back to work since someone will need to come in and take care of my wife and daughter.

Which would be better?



That's not what I asked about. He may be "for" ending all assistance, but you started us off by suggesting that the current bill in Congress would do that. It won't...and I think we both know that.

It sounds like the Democrats' campaign of instilling fear into everyone over things that are not happening and Congress is not considering is working on you. Try to not let this kind of tactic work on you.

If it looked like that's what I meant, then my apologies. I wasn't talking about them taking it all away from everyone.

What I am getting agitated about, is the lack of compassion by another poster in this thread. At least, from what they are posting I am seeing a lack of compassion.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you would force my wife, who cannot work, to work so that we can make ends meet?

I would never make the kind of money it would take to provide for her medical stuff, we're talking over $7,000 a month just on her medications. Our daughter requires special formula because she is allergic to milk proteins and cannot handle normal formula, so that close to another $1,000. We haven't even gotten to what it would cost to have a roof over our heads, and put food on the table, and have the utilities.

I am NOT saying you abuse the system so do not misunderstand me, however since people do when you cut the budget ( which they need to be badly ( across the board if you asks me) well it doesn't change the fact people still abuse the system so the only way to make SURE people do not abuse the system is to not offer it, however since it is clear that there ARE people who DO need the help a local system ( as opposed to federal or even state) would make it harder to cheat the system because you would have fewer people to "watch".

 

[dogs4thewin]

My wife was on birth control when she got pregnant, it doesn't always work.

However the other way will ADSTRAINING and for couples who couldn't do it themselves change the law so that the government could MAKE them you take assistance you get "fixed".

 

[Albion]

If it looked like that's what I meant, then my apologies. I wasn't talking about them taking it all away from everyone.

What I am getting agitated about, is the lack of compassion by another poster in this thread. At least, from what they are posting I am seeing a lack of compassion.

It's easy to make that mistake when your own situation may be jeopardized.

But wanting to get those who should not be on the rolls off of them is hardly to be equated to a lack of compassion.

 

[Naomanos]

I am NOT saying you abuse the system so do not misunderstand me, however since people do when you cut the budget ( which they need to be badly ( across the board if you asks me) well it doesn't change the fact people still abuse the system so the only way to make SURE people do not abuse the system is to not offer it, however since it is clear that there ARE people who DO need the help a local system ( as opposed to federal or even state) would make it harder to cheat the system because you would have fewer people to "watch".

That sounds a bit better than what you were saying before and sounds a bit more compassionate, so please excuse my lack of compassion comment to Albion.

 

[1Feather]

You know it's bad when Christians introduce Greek mythology into a discussion on a CC board.

I have a lot of respect for animals so I wouldn't condemn those who are trapped on display in zoo's to what is being willfully created by the apex predator animal in the real world. It's insulting to those creatures who very often govern their pride, pack,colony,hive, and what have you, far better than the human animal ever has.

I see what's happening today as the culmination of what prophecy foretells. Can we be surprised if we know scripture and that God's plan is eternal and according to his divine will? All we can do is be prepared and do what we can when called to it.

Satan still walks this earth remember. We navigate in and around and amid that. And just as Christ had disciples so to does the adversary to the right path, the divine, the will of God.

We have to keep our compass true, our feet steady on the path, and our resolve set on the goal. Those among us, Christians, who fall away are to be mourned if not redeemed from their wrong. But it is all as it should be. God knows it is all as it should be This is our test to see if we know what to do with what Jesus gave us to work with so as to navigate and overcome.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If it looked like that's what I meant, then my apologies. I wasn't talking about them taking it all away from everyone.

What I am getting agitated about, is the lack of compassion by another poster in this thread. At least, from what they are posting I am seeing a lack of compassion.

I know you are talking about me so I will explain myself I have NO problem NONE whatsoever helping people like you out, except that there are abusers out there which is why I do not support the federal or state government helping, but rather, either personal charity ( free will and/or the local government and ONLY the local government handling the assistance programs to make as sure as humans can that people who NEED the help get the help, but that ONLY people who NEED it get it.

 

[Naomanos]

However the other way will ADSTRAINING and for couples who couldn't do it themselves change the law so that the government could MAKE them you take assistance you get "fixed".

So you think the government should force people to get "fixed" if they accept assistance?

Doesn't that take away someone's choice to have an elective surgery?

That is too much government reach for my tastes and I am more moderate in my views.

While my wife may not be able to fully take care of our daughter, she still does some. I do not think that the government should take away the basic right of a human being that God himself told us to do.

 

[Albion]

I know you are talking about me so I will explain myself I have NO problem NONE whatsoever helping people like you out, except that there are abusers out there which is why I do not support the federal or state government helping, but rather, either personal charity ( free will and/or the local government and ONLY the local government handling the assistance programs to make as sure as humans can that people who NEED the help get the help, but that ONLY people who NEED it get it.

When copying and quoting, it's good to keep an eye on what it looks like when it's posted. You are quoting and replying to Naomanos here, for example, not me.

 

[Naomanos]

I know you are talking about me so I will explain myself I have NO problem NONE whatsoever helping people like you out, except that there are abusers out there which is why I do not support the federal or state government helping, but rather, either personal charity ( free will and/or the local government and ONLY the local government handling the assistance programs to make as sure as humans can that people who NEED the help get the help, but that ONLY people who NEED it get it.

What I see you doing though is throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.

I'm not sure that local governments can handle that kind of responsibility. They just don't have that kind of cash to spend, especially when you start talking about more rural communities.

Unless you think that the federal government should send the money to local governments and allow them to handle what we're talking about?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you think the government should force people to get "fixed" if they accept assistance?

Doesn't that take away someone's choice to have an elective surgery?

That is too much government reach for my tastes and I am more moderate in my views.

While my wife may not be able to fully take care of our daughter, she still does some. I do not think that the government should take away the basic right of a human being that God himself told us to do.

I understand that, the problem I have is that if you cannot care for those children and are depending on others to provide for you and them on a regular basis Is it fair to the people providing that money that you keep having more children that you cannot afford? I say no. Remember God also commanded that you care for your family, and while we ARE commanded to help the poor that does NOT give them the right to have offspring that they cannot afford. Thus, since you are right birth control doesn't always work, but never having sex does THAT is why I propose that is people having children they ALREADY cannot afford and expecting the government to provide even more money to care for the additional people. Now, if someone can afford to have 12 children and provide the proper care then OK, BUT if you ( again talking generally here). cannot care for the kids you already have with your resources then you need not bring more into the world; because frankly NOT ONLY is it unfair for tax payers but also for the children to a certain extent as well.

 

[Albion]

Chances are, we'd solve a lot more problems in life if we were able just to steal the necessary money. That's really what defines the "sides" in this kind of debate: Is it right to help yourself to other people's property if you think you're going to do a good thing with it??

 

[dogs4thewin]

What I see you doing though is throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.

I'm not sure that local governments can handle that kind of responsibility. They just don't have that kind of cash to spend, especially when you start talking about more rural communities.

Unless you think that the federal government should send the money to local governments and allow them to handle what we're talking about?

The rural places though may just be in a better spot because if everyone knows everybody it is much much easier for folks to know who needs help because they have fallen on hard times and who "needs" help because they have poorly managed their resources. As things get bigger they tend to have more problems with people using them to the wrong ends now how much more problem does vary.

 

[Albion]

The House (of Representatives) bill called for cutting 4 Billion dollars from an 80 Billion dollar annual expenditure. That's about 5%. In addition, the cuts were directed at LIFETIME recipients who do not have dependents. Some are now over 100 years old and still receiving benefits because they are deemed unable to work due to their disability.

In other words, the idea that the sky is falling is premature.

 

[UnworthyAcolyte]

The House (of Representatives) bill called for cutting 4 Billion dollars from an 80 Billion dollar annual expenditure. That's about 5%.

In other words, the idea that the sky is falling is premature.

They wouldn't do that. They'd have to go a lot higher to get Obama to blame them for...something.