Its a Zoo

[Gentlemantech48]

I know I have to be careful not to mention any block of people by name but today I'm just looking at what's going on in this country and "almost" laughing at the zoo-like comedy going on. One side has totally lost their collective minds (I won't say, most on here will know what I mean) and the other side can't get their act together, can't stand firm, can't do what's right in God's eyes, can't restore this country to what God intended it to be, can't serve the people instead of their own career, can't use Biblical wisdom, can't accept persecution as part of a Godly life, can't put politics aside to do what is right and good!

 

[miamited]

Hi GT,

I'm just curious. What's the difference between the side that has lost it's collective mind and the side that can't get it's act together. Is there some way we can know that the reason the side that can't get it's act together isn't because they, too, have lost their collective minds.

Who are the 'sides' anyway? And which side of whoever the sides are is which? Am I supposed to be on a side? Are you supposed to be on a side? How do we get to the 'side' that we want to be on?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Naomanos]

Hi GT,

I'm just curious. What's the difference between the side that has lost it's collective mind and the side that can't get it's act together. Is there some way we can know that the reason the side that can't get it's act together isn't because they, too, have lost their collective minds.

Who are the 'sides' anyway? And which side of whoever the sides are is which? Am I supposed to be on a side? Are you supposed to be on a side? How do we get to the 'side' that we want to be on?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Gonna go out on a limb and say he is talking about the Democrat and Republican parties. I could be wrong though.

I'm not happy with the Republican party right now because in their zeal to take away food stamps from surfer dudes, they are going to also take it away from families like mine.

Apparently they are trying to pass a provision to make parents of children over one year old work or volunteer at least twenty hours per week in order to keep their foodstamps. I do not work because I stay home to take care of my disabled wife and soon to be over one year old daughter. It will cost them more to pay for my wife's healthcare to have someone come in to take care of her while they force me out of the house. The $274 a month we get is a far cry from over $1000 a month or more they will have to pay an agency caregiver to come in. May as well tack on child care too since my wife cannot take care of our daughter either.

So yeah, I'm not very happy about what the Republicans are trying to do.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Gonna go out on a limb and say he is talking about the Democrat and Republican parties. I could be wrong though.

I'm not happy with the Republican party right now because in their zeal to take away food stamps from surfer dudes, they are going to also take it away from families like mine.

Apparently they are trying to pass a provision to make parents of children over one year old work or volunteer at least twenty hours per week in order to keep their foodstamps. I do not work because I stay home to take care of my disabled wife and soon to be over one year old daughter. It will cost them more to pay for my wife's healthcare to have someone come in to take care of her while they force me out of the house. The $274 a month we get is a far cry from over $1000 a month or more they will have to pay an agency caregiver to come in. May as well tack on child care too since my wife cannot take care of our daughter either.

So yeah, I'm not very happy about what the Republicans are trying to do.

I am a republican and support what they are doing to the point of contacting both Georgia senators last night at about 10:30 to encourage them to vote yes on the provision ( both of Georgia's current senators happen to be Republican. I am VERY polically active for my age that is the THIRD time I have contacted them in the past year ( different issues each time). It is not families like yours I have a problem with receiving assistance I am disabled myself. The trouble is that it is hard to tell who needs it and who does not , so what I DO support is free will charity and LOCAL government providing help but wish they would tighten the requirements for and/or do away with many welfare and other government programs.

 

[Gentlemantech48]

This post was not about one specific issue. I'm going to fall into the trap of naming the groups of people, I'm going to assume that it's obvious to most conservative Christians. The "Zoo" is about people on one side who mindlessly throw their own poop at anyone who disagrees with their Godless stance on almost everything and another group who take up a stand protecting their own territory in the Zoo instead of getting together and doing something about those that throw poop. Come on, you've been to the zoo. Sometimes you just have to laugh at what's going on even if you get hit by the flying poop!
On just one issue, I personally know a family who sells their EBT food card for cash because they have so much food they don't need the card for months at a time!!!!!! The head monkey made that happen!

 

[MrJim]

Don't get caught between Scylla and Charybdis attempting to salvage a floundering worldly kingdom.

 

[Albion]

This post was not about one specific issue. I'm going to fall into the trap of naming the groups of people, I'm going to assume that it's obvious to most conservative Christians. The "Zoo" is about people on one side who mindlessly throw their own poop at anyone who disagrees with their Godless stance on almost everything and another group who take up a stand protecting their own territory in the Zoo instead of getting together and doing something about those that throw poop. Come on, you've been to the zoo. Sometimes you just have to laugh at what's going on even if you get hit by the flying poop!
On just one issue, I personally know a family who sells their EBT food card for cash because they have so much food they don't need the card for months at a time!!!!!! The head monkey made that happen!

I understand, and you're right to include the religious factor since this is the forum for people who are Conservative in a religious sense. On that point, I have often thought that the issue is between those who feel that they are entitled to confiscate whatever belongs to someone else, so long as it's done non-violently through the ballot box...and those who believe in each person's right to his life, liberty, and property.

You'd think most people wouldn't side with the first group, but it's an attraction to get on the free train yourself and punish those who are doing better than you in the process. But what of the moral aspect? Doesn't that ever get considered?

 

[Albion]

It will cost them more to pay for my wife's healthcare to have someone come in to take care of her while they force me out of the house. The $274 a month we get is a far cry from over $1000 a month or more they will have to pay an agency caregiver to come in. May as well tack on child care too since my wife cannot take care of our daughter either.

So yeah, I'm not very happy about what the Republicans are trying to do.

Are you going by the wording of the legislation or what you've read or heard from the media? I doubt very much that there is no provision for caregivers of the disabled caregivers in the bill. Meanwhile, one out of seven Americans is now on some sort of disability benefits, and NO ONE believes that one out of seven is unable to work...for any reason.

 

[Purge187]

Naomanos is right about the Republican Party largely being a group of plutocrats. That's why I joined the Constitution Party in 2010; they're the party most likely to put God first they way we used to.

 

[Albion]

Naomanos is right about the Republican Party largely being a group of plutocrats. That's why I joined the Constitution Party in 2010; they're the party most likely to put God first they way we used to.

Except that, as a party, it barely exists. Consider the Libertarian Party.

That said, you go straight to an important point with your comment. The GOP is precariously close to losing its base (to something else--a third party, disinterest in voting, whatever) if it does not stand up for its alleged principles in the face of Socialist legislation. And it's not just me speculating on that outcome. Recent studies have pretty much proven that it's underway.

 

[Naomanos]

Are you going by the wording of the legislation or what you've read or heard from the media? I doubt very much that there is no provision for caregivers of the disabled caregivers in the bill. Meanwhile, one out of seven Americans is now on some sort of disability benefits, and NO ONE believes that one out of seven is unable to work...for any reason.

A little confused by the last part of your statement. Are you saying that the 1 out of 7 is a high number and that the one can work somewhere?

My wife has multiple sclerosis and has been on disability since 2007. It took her 3 1/2 years to get it because of her age. Even the doctor the government sent her to to be evaluated said that they should have just given it to her because of her condition. So she was going for disability before it was the "in" thing to do so to speak.

She is unable to stand for even short periods of time. Her cognative thinking has taken a huge hit and it can take her 10 minutes to get out a thought that normally only takes someone less than a minute or two. Her short term memory has also taken a hit and she can not multitask. She often confuses what she is saying compared to what she ia thinking, in other words, many times what she is saying is not what she was thinking. She loses words easily as well.

She fatigues easily and that includes when she has to think about things to keep it straight in her mind as to what she is doing. So she fatigues mentally very easily as well as physically.

She is indeed someone who deserves her disability benefits.

As for how I heard what I stated in my first post in this thread, while I didn't read the legislation, I have heard it from a couple different sources as well as read it from different sources.

The one news cast I heard it from is our local fox news cast, but from someone who is pretty outspoken about those who are getting foodstamps that shouldn't and has often said "we would do better as a country if we got rid of foodstamps and Medicaid altogether. He is not to mince words and will tell you about the legislation as it is written.

So I fully believe what he says.

I hope there is a provision in it for us caregivers.

 

[dogs4thewin]

A little confused by the last part of your statement. Are you saying that the 1 out of 7 is a high number and that the one can work somewhere?

My wife has multiple sclerosis and has been on disability since 2007. It took her 3 1/2 years to get it because of her age. Even the doctor the government sent her to to be evaluated said that they should have just given it to her because of her condition. So she was going for disability before it was the "in" thing to do so to speak.

She is unable to stand for even short periods of time. Her cognative thinking has taken a huge hit and it can take her 10 minutes to get out a thought that normally only takes someone less than a minute or two. Her short term memory has also taken a hit and she can not multitask. She often confuses what she is saying compared to what she ia thinking, in other words, many times what she is saying is not what she was thinking. She loses words easily as well.

She fatigues easily and that includes when she has to think about things to keep it straight in her mind as to what she is doing. So she fatigues mentally very easily as well as physically.

She is indeed someone who deserves her disability benefits.

As for how I heard what I stated in my first post in this thread, while I didn't read the legislation, I have heard it from a couple different sources as well as read it from different sources.

The one news cast I heard it from is our local fox news cast, but from someone who is pretty outspoken about those who are getting foodstamps that shouldn't and has often said "we would do better as a country if we got rid of foodstamps and Medicaid altogether. He is not to mince words and will tell you about the legislation as it is written.

So I fully believe what he says.

I hope there is a provision in it for us caregivers.

While I am disabled myself, understand that there are people out there like you who NEED the help, will be praying for you, HOWEVER trouble is that there are a lot of liars and cheaters that want something for nothing I am NOT saying or even trying to imply that you are among them so forgive me if that is how this comes across. This is why I DO support charity are the free-will and local government levels ( say in a way where there is not one in EVERY county) but like the department of labor is set up. This way it may be easier to track who is who and who truly needs help.

 

[Gentlemantech48]

I have found myself watching Fox News for months now and my emotions are up and down. Just when I think that truth might prevail it gets swallowed up in politics. Maybe its time to turn the TV off and spend that time in prayer until the next election when the people of this nation will either dig us in deeper into socialism and ungodly laws or God will be able to move on the hearts of those whose hearts are not yet rock hard and they will vote for principle instead of for "free stuff!" God have mercy on this nation, a nation founded on the principles of His Holy Word and a nation that used to be the example for the whole world to see. How far we have fallen and although I have to laugh at the comedy sometimes ultimately we won't be laughing when gas and food gets scarce and millions more lose their jobs. That may be God's plan to wake this nation up to reality. When this happens most will shake their fists at God blaming it on Him and won't consider their actions in voting for and supporting the Godless poop throwers.

 

[Albion]

A little confused by the last part of your statement. Are you saying that the 1 out of 7 is a high number and that the one can work somewhere?

I am saying that the number has skyrocketed under the Obama administration which has also worked diligently to increase substantially the number of people receiving food stamps. But no, no one seriously thinks this many Americans are disabled and unable to work. Of course, some are able-bodied people who have turned to disability claims because they can't find jobs.

As for how I heard what I stated in my first post in this thread, while I didn't read the legislation, I have heard it from a couple different sources as well as read it from different sources.

The one news cast I heard it from is our local fox news cast, but from someone who is pretty outspoken about those who are getting foodstamps that shouldn't and has often said "we would do better as a country if we got rid of foodstamps and Medicaid altogether. He is not to mince words and will tell you about the legislation as it is written.

So I fully believe what he says.

But he hasn't told you so far, from what you've said.

Nothing in what you wrote here comments one way or the other about how people who are genuinely disabled--like your wife--will be affected by this bill. I'm quite certain that the proposal does not call for ending all assistance. If it had provided for that, you would have heard a LOT more about it than you did.

 

[Naomanos]

I am saying that the number has skyrocketed under the Obama administration which has also worked diligently to increase substantially the number of people receiving food stamps. But no, no one seriously thinks this many Americans are disabled and unable to work. Of course, some are able-bodied people who have turned to disability claims because they can't find jobs.


But he hasn't told you so far, from what you've said.

Nothing in what you wrote here comments one way or the other about how people who are genuinely disabled--like your wife--will be affected by this bill. I'm quite certain that the proposal does not call for ending all assistance. If it had provided for that, you would have heard a LOT more about it than you did.

Part of the amount of foodstamps that she gets is also for me, because I do not work to take care of her. The majority of what we get is for me and our daughter.

If there is no provision, which I have yet to see, then that means I will have to go back to work, when it is far cheaper to keep me home taking care of my wife and child and getting foodstamps than it will be for them to get some to take care of my wife and daughter.

We get $274 a month for foodstamps, it will be over $1000 a month to send me back to work since someone will need to come in and take care of my wife and daughter.

Which would be better?

Also, I didn't say that the bill called for ending all assistance, just that the one source that I heard this information is for that. He would be a source from the conservative side that I would use to validate what I heard.

Thankfully, while it seems to have passed the house, the senate will never pass it and the White House has threatened to veto it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Part of the amount of foodstamps that she gets is also for me, because I do not work to take care of her. The majority of what we get is for me and our daughter.

If there is no provision, which I have yet to see, then that means I will have to go back to work, when it is far cheaper to keep me home taking care of my wife and child and getting foodstamps than it will be for them to get some to take care of my wife and daughter.

We get $274 a month for foodstamps, it will be over $1000 a month to send me back to work since someone will need to come in and take care of my wife and daughter.

Which would be better?

Also, I didn't say that the bill called for ending all assistance, just that the one source that I heard this information is for that. He would be a source from the conservative side that I would use to validate what I heard.

Thankfully, while it seems to have passed the house, the senate will never pass it and the White House has threatened to veto it.

Well if it passes the senate which I have done my part to try and make that happen and 2/3 vote would make the veto moot so I am still wanting this bill to pass. If you read a post from earlier today you will see what I feel is the ONLY way the government and tax payers should be forced to pay for your care health care in particular I know that that is not what this thread is about, but you what ) other than maybe age is the ONLY way federal and even state tax dollars should be forced to help? The answer would be incarceration. If the government chooses to incarcerate you ( people in general) THEN taxpayers become liable for them unless and until then however it should be free will charity and/or LOCAL government that provides assistance.

 

[Naomanos]

Well if it passes the senate which I have done my part to try and make that happen and 2/3 vote would make the veto moot so I am still wanting this bill to pass. If you read a post from earlier today you will see what I feel is the ONLY way the government and tax payers should be forced to pay for your care health care in particular I know that that is not what this thread is about, but you what ) other than maybe age is the ONLY way federal and even state tax dollars should be forced to help? The answer would be incarceration. If the government chooses to incarcerate you ( people in general) THEN taxpayers become liable for them unless and until then however it should be free will charity and/or LOCAL government that provides assistance.

So you think I should be incarcerated because instead of working I stay home to take care of my disabled wife and our daughter?

You have me confused.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you think I should be incarcerated because instead of working I stay home to take care of my disabled wife and our daughter?

You have me confused.

In other words, due to the abuse if you cut it off from everyone then there is nothing there TO abuse. I am on SSI and would vote to take that check from me and anyone else who has never worked quicker than I would vote to repeal the death penalty which by the way is QUICK. You either care for yourself or get local assistance DO NOT expect the federal and state government to take of your family. On the other hand, once the government CHOOSES to take you into their custery then they are as liable for your ( anyone's) care just like you are currently for your minor daughter.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you think I should be incarcerated because instead of working I stay home to take care of my disabled wife and our daughter?

You have me confused.

I also by the way would have no problem with the government changing the law to REQUIRE families that get assistance to either use birth control OR make it where they could not have children If not, then what at least I would like to see is a flat rate in assistance that is that how many in your family would NOT determine how much you got EVERYONE would get a certain amount and if you chose to add depandants it would just get worse in terms of how far the assistance would go.

 

[Naomanos]

In other words, due to the abuse if you cut it off from everyone then there is nothing there TO abuse. I am on SSI and would vote to take that check from me and anyone else who has never worked quicker than I would vote to repeal the death penalty which by the way is QUICK. You either care for yourself or get local assistance DO NOT expect the federal and state government to take of your family. On the other hand, once the government CHOOSES to take you into their custery then they are as liable for your ( anyone's) care just like you are currently for your minor daughter.

So you would force my wife, who cannot work, to work so that we can make ends meet?

I would never make the kind of money it would take to provide for her medical stuff, we're talking over $7,000 a month just on her medications. Our daughter requires special formula because she is allergic to milk proteins and cannot handle normal formula, so that close to another $1,000. We haven't even gotten to what it would cost to have a roof over our heads, and put food on the table, and have the utilities.